Cut-out grass/Screw-back Porsche PAB

[Philippe DB]

Thanks a lot Jacques


Is there a posibility to date these pics or put units on them?

With my limited knowledge of uniforms my best guess would be that the first guy was one of Rommels officers in the Afrikakorps. Which would lead me to believe that already in the early war years it was done.

Difficult to tell if the Badge in the first pic is a complete or partial cut out. There is still some silver visible between the wreath and Tank but my guess would be that this is most likely the pin.

Jacques when you say you saw such a badge one month ago was that in another collection and would you be able to get pictures of it? Did it feature a pin or screwback reverse?

Thanks
KR
Philippe

[Denis]

Hi again

I think I am going to devance again JAcques
The first pic he posted is Werner Mildebrath (ie the officer in tropical uniform)
Here are more info about him :
MILDEBRATH WERNER
DoB : 20/06/1904
DoD : 02/06/1984
Last rank : OBERST
EK1 : 29/11/1940
DKiG : Not awarded
RK : 12/08/1942 as Obstlt. I/PZ. RGT. 5 (21. PZ. DIV.)

The second one makes me think to hans Günther Stotten but I am not sure !
Anyway, if this is as I assume , here are more info about him :
STOTTEN HANS-GÜNTHER
DoB : 07/10/1916
DoD : 05/04/1945
Last rank : MAJOR i.G.
Last position : Ic HEERESGRUPPE SÜD
EK 1 : 11/10/1939
DKiG : 14/03/1943 as Hptm. I/PZ. RGT. 8
RK : 04/07/1940 (114th) as Lt. 1/PZ. RGT. 3 (2. PZ. DIV.)
EL : 10/05/1943 (236th) as Hptm. I/PZ. RGT. 8 (15. PZ. DIV.)
Regards
Denis

[jacques]

Good job Denis ! Are you always so quick ?
the badge I saw was in bronze with a normal pin and unmarked. It has been sold before I wanted to take a pic. the guy told me that it could be a use in the 24 Pz Div, but can't confirm it.
I know a pic of an EWE badge with the same semi cutout ground.
jacques

[all1knew]

PAB - cut version

What an interesting badge. That's all I have to say.

William Kramer

cutout panzer badge

Another period photo of one of these, just sold on the e-stand by MW. (I had to crop it to upload, full size can be seen there).
Regards,
Fred

[Philippe DB]

Thanks Fred

Missed that one completely

Anyway that's picture number 7 of the badge in wear. Is there anybody who can tell the unit in which this guy served?

KR
Philippe

[WWIIBuff]

Cut-out PAB

Hi Philippe,

Here you go... as promised, the albums just arrived today. Looks like there are actually two Cut-out PAB shots in the albums.

John Klein

[WWIIBuff]

Cut-out PAB closeup

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[WWIIBuff]

Cut-out PAB

Here's a better one...

[WWIIBuff]

Cut-out PAB closeup #2

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[gilles]

Verry nice pictures and badges

[trotlin13]

John:

Great shot!!! Beautiful Closeup!! I am sorry I hesitated on those albums. Congrats!!

[Laurence Strong]

I forget where I was reading it, but the thread was along the lines, that the cut out PAB was done to differentiate "Old timers" who had seen more combat than the initial requirements for the PAB from the "Newbies", I dont have a clue if this is true or not. The theory on the thread was thats why the 25 ,50 etc PAB's were issued?

[trotlin13]

The Search Continues

Another example of the cut-out or modified PAB in wear. His name is Werner Heinstadt and he was a member of the lauded Panzer Corps Grossdeutschland serving in the Panzer-Zerstor Regiment GD. I could find very little on this unit's history. Any help, would be appreciated. Unfortunately, all I have is copy of his 25 PAB silver award doc which was issued on April 4, 1945. Unteroffizier Heinstadt saw action in Poland with the 1st Panzer Division, fought through Russia; surviving until the war's end. I do not know when he "transferred" to GD, but he was probably culled from the veterans' ranks near the war's end. His friend certainly loves his watch.

[trotlin13]

Close-up