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    #16
    Chris, not sure what your point is, but cut out swas on 7 wheeler is normal for some variants

    regards
    Graeme

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      #17
      The Best

      I know Gaileen David and he is one of the BEST dealers out there!

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        #18
        Originally posted by Graeme Sandles View Post
        Chris, not sure what your point is, but cut out swas on 7 wheeler is normal for some variants

        regards
        Graeme
        Hi Graeme,

        i have never seen a 7 wheeler combination " open swas and plate under the catch"

        regards
        Chris

        p.s. if you have a nice original in this combination , please post one for me
        Last edited by ChrisH; 12-26-2009, 11:56 AM.

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          #19
          Originally posted by ChrisH View Post

          i have never seen a 7 wheeler combination " open swas and plate under the catch"
          Chris, that may be the case, but for 1st pattern Hollow, the red flag is the catch plate, and not the cut out.

          cheers
          Graeme

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            #20
            Graeme,

            i wish , what you mean
            1. pattern has open swas in early tombak and zinc variant,s

            i see a lot zinc pab with plate under the catch
            and many with plate-repair , not forget

            but "never" a 7 wheeler in this combination / open & plate / tombak or zinc

            thats only my mind , i give the point to you

            regards
            Chris

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              #21
              More than that.

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                #22
                I don't think......

                ......That so much negative emphasis should be put on the nice finish. Look at the following link and tell me that if we were to use condition of finish as a barometer to gauge authenticity......then there is not a problem.

                This question of pristine finish comes up every once in awhile, and I still do not understand why.

                Some of the following badges have just as nice, or better, finishes.
                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=401815

                Gauging any badge on it's total merits, or lack thereof, is one thing, but to single out finish as the red flag is, in my opinion, mis-leading. It plants the seed that excellent finishes are to be wary of. I'm not totally convinced yet that Gailen's badge is a FAKE. Only weights and measurements can get us closer to a correct determination.....I, for one would like to know what they are. We all also know that hardware isn't the ultimate determining factor either.....just look at S&L attributed badges for example.

                I could post more links, but the one above should suffice.

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                  #23
                  Hi Bruce

                  I agree, so far in this thread there is no real hard evidence, and weights and measurements would be nice to see.
                  But keep in mind, as well as the finish, the catch plate is unusual. I can understand why there are doubts.

                  I disagree with your comment about pristine finishes though. IMO in this day and age when we know refinishing is common place we should be extra careful.
                  To be comfortable with a pristine finished badge it should compare to known originals as do the badges in the thread you highlighted. Often a particular maker uses a particular finish (check out the B&NL PAB in the thread you highlighted)
                  I have not seen enough of these 7 Wheelers to know if the finish on the badge in question, is what you would expect to see.

                  regards
                  Graeme

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                    #24
                    I have been looking for a silver first pattern seven wheeler for years in good condition and trust me most of the time this variant has very little of the silver wash left! I know some nice examples exist but not with the heavy frosted silver finish this badge has. In combination with the catchplate I would be very wary of adding this PAB to my collection.
                    Dan
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