One question for Robert, was there an embankment anywhere behind your shot or did the spent round just travel for a couple miles 
Very nice shot tho
Andy B.
Very nice shot tho
Andy B.
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Andy, safety is always my #1 goal when shooting, so round after traveling 2 miles lands safely on the ground...Originally posted by Andy Berentsen View PostOne question for Robert, was there an embankment anywhere behind your shot or did the spent round just travel for a couple miles
Very nice shot tho
Andy B....no really you couldn't see from the video but at the end of the field is small hill and then very thick cornfield.
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Nice shot Robert !!
Honestly I think if you decide to sell it , make sure the buyer sees that video first
Cheers,
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i dont see the point in shooting at real pieces of history. If it shatters, well tough luck if it doesnt well... I dont get why one would wake up one morning and say, ok w`ll shoot at PAB today...... you dont have to be a PAB collector to think of this as just stupidity. I dont agree with any of this.
there is dozens of starting collectors that would have been happy with it, now look at it....Last edited by ApathyL; 08-31-2009, 11:25 PM.Comment
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Where to start? The Music was great! The marksmanship was great! I was most interested in how the second round moved the zinc. If it was brittle that piece should have flown off.
As for ApathyL, this was in the name of science. However, maybe this badge could be put into the next PAB Book (2nd edition). Therefore, the badge will have authentication, the badge will uphold its value, and everyone will be happy. Then some new collector can buy it and put it with his/her new book.
Excellent video again! WOW!
Eric
I once flew in a B-17, B-24, & a B-25. Next, I want to fire an 88 round.Comment
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Originally posted by Eric Sowersby View Post
nope mate i dont agree, it can be named in anyway, it was cruelty. Nothing more...honestly who cares if it shatters...buy a new Mercedes SEL500 AMG and crash it and see that does it shatter or keep in one piece, its just as simple as that...to do something like this is not "the name of science" bull....Comment
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In the name of science ! I dont think so. What a waste, after surviving 65 years to end like this, SHAMEComment
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OK, so far i have been called "Idiot", "American stupid" and etc (i have removed some really bad comments). Please keep it civilized!Originally posted by ApathyL View Posti dont see the point in shooting at real pieces of history. If it shatters, well tough luck if it doesnt well... I dont get why one would wake up one morning and say, ok w`ll shoot at PAB today...... you dont have to be a PAB collector to think of this as just stupidity. I dont agree with any of this.
Now to the subject, experiment was important because now we know that 65 years under different weather conditions has no effect on the zinc. Zinc inside the badge is still very flexible! We also know that stories about soldiers shot and saved by the badge are completely false. There is no way that this type of the badge could save any lives. Also, some dealers are pushing badges in pieces for sale supposedly shutter to pieces by bullets - again now we now this is a lie. As we could see even 2 bullets almost in the same place created nice and clean holes...I don't see any other way to collect data like this. But some people will rather speculate or try to guess instead of doing something...Comment
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Originally posted by robert60446 View Post
still a shame....
coz you know, if you for example go into actual science and study the metal it self maybe you dont have to ruin the badge. Thats one thing, the other is you know, if a dealer is selling what you maybe think is a mumble jumble then just forget about it, instead you go out there to destroy a great great badge....
As i said before, there are dozens of collectors, especially who are starters, who would be happy to have a reall badge... ok well you can also go and test a KC and see what that does, coz dealers sell them too with bullet holes....this is just crap mate
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Would have been interesting if the badge was mounted in front of ballistic gel to see how far the round would have penetrated into it-to simulate as closely as possible density of human flesh. Also, how does the charge of the bullet used in the test compare to those used duing WW2? Surely todays rifles/bullets are more powerfull than the ones used 'back in the day'.
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Calm down guys, far more badges have been destroyed by individuals attempting to enhance their value via some means of alteration. A far larger crime in my book. I just don't want to see this piece show up three years from now on Ebay as a rare find from Stalingrad.Ignored Due To Invisibility.Comment
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ApathyL (is this your name?),Originally posted by ApathyL View Poststill a shame.... coz you know, if you for example go into actual science and study the metal it self maybe you dont have to ruin the badge. Thats one thing, the other is you know, if a dealer is selling what you maybe think is a mumble jumble then just forget about it, instead you go out there to destroy a great great badge....
As i said before, there are dozens of collectors, especially who are starters, who would be happy to have a reall badge...
I don't remember you from days when we were collecting money and contributing badges / awards for SEM's tests and etc - so don't coach me on science here. Still to get to the very core of the badge you have to either drill the hole or shoot the hole - there is no other way Einstein!
There are tons of other Wurster PAB's available to collectors (I believe Chet selected this maker on purpose - because how popular this maker is). All starting collectors can buy them without any problems. If these collectors want to have real badge then maybe they should buy it...this is not a socialism (at least not yet)...Comment
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Tom since your a Mod over at GCA, you may want to pitch in with the same compliments over there:Originally posted by Thomas Durante View PostThanks for the sacrifice Chet, in the name of science.
I admit that I was one of the guys that was sure a zink badge would just shatter upon impact. That was based on my snapping one of my close combat clasps in half a few years ago
You could easily see the chrystaline structure of the zink of the clasp, but am surprised to see it hold up so well against a bullet. Great experiment.
Thanks Chet and thanks to Robert Z!
Tom
http://www.germancombatawards.com/th...threadid=16581
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Well done Robert! I salute the manner you did it, and your shooting prowess
A MOST INTERESTING experiment. What kind of energy is that bullet coming out at? I imagine that has a lot to do with her penetrating like that. Amazing velocities punched a neat hole. KUDOS!Comment
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Barry,Originally posted by barry1954 View Post
I'm planning test like this, hopefully at the begging of the next year. I want to do this during winter conditions. I'm also planning on "wrapping" ballistic gel in to the denim which will closely simulate material used for German uniforms. As for the bullets - armies at that time were often using full metal jacket bullets. These bullets were excellent for penetrations. One of the most popular rifles of WWII was good old bolt action Mauser (ironically used by Germans and Russians) with caliber 7.92x57 mm - very powerful caliber. To give you better idea, original AK47 was 7.62x39, more modern version - AK74 is 5.35x35 mm (M16 by US forces from Vietnam is 5.56 mm)...Americans started WWII with M1903 Springfield which was cal. 30-03 or 30-06. Tikka used by me closely assembles characteristics of M1903 rifle...Comment
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