Bandenkampfabzeichen

[Luc]

are those original ones..?

[Peter J.]

Luc, the gold version is definately not original

cheers
Peter

[stewy]

I' m not keen on either,though my knowledge is limited the gold one's very wrong sorry. Stewy

[PAB_Collector]

Both are poor copies.

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Both are poor copies.

...excuse me!...both are original!
The silver grade is textbook, the supposed gold one is from original left over rohlings gilded and pned after the war.
Pieter.

[Giel VW]

As far as I know my way through BKA's I would say that the silver one is the so called massive Juncker type, which, one collector likes more than the other. Pin shows the typical Juncker tool marks, which is a good sign.

Altough the design, ageing and crisp details look very nice on the gold BKA, I have never encountered a set up like that which would put me in front of a big questionmark. I for sure would love to handle these badges once!

As a long time solid collector I think you have a story behind these Luc, can you share it with us

[Peter J.]

Pieter, you're excused I'll never compete with you in regards of knowledge and experience in these badges, but I'm eager to learn more. Are you saying the gold version is a Juncker?

cheers
Peter

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Yes it's a Juncker, the same as the silver one. The gilding is old bot not original pre 45 IMO as the pin sit up is post war and the gilding is on ithe pin too. There exists totaly uncut-ut rohlings of these Juncker APB's.
The silver one shown here is the first type of the Juncker APB, to me much more attractive as the hollow version, of which the dies survived the war, not of the first type.
Pieter.

[stewy]

Thanks guys,i've learned something today,sorry i doubted them. Stewy

[Peter J.]

Thanks Pieter. I'm still curious about the source for this info and where these pieces where found. Here's a link to a discussion a while back.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=BKA+Juncker

cheers
Peter

[Pepe77]

That silver one is really beauty

[Luc]

oef.. thanks for your comments.

I bought them out of an old collection, so no story...

[Thomas Bendixen]

Hi Pieter

Why do you think the silver is the first type made?

Can you elaborate on why you think the halfhollow badge dies survived the war? Of all the halfhollow badges I have on file - not one is identical to another.

Are you aware of any massive type with provenance?

Cheers Thomas

[Steve P]

Thanks guys,i've learned something today,sorry i doubted them. Stewy

Guys, I would always have liked the silver, but would have had my doubts about the gold as well...I've learned something here also...I really appreciate the input and contributions to threads like this guys....Especially from gents with the experience and knowledge such as you Pieter and you as well Giel...This demonstrates the value of the forum. Thanks to all here.

Nice Badges Man!

[Jeff V]

Yes it's a Juncker, the same as the silver one. The gilding is old bot not original pre 45 IMO as the pin sit up is post war and the gilding is on ithe pin too. There exists totaly uncut-ut rohlings of these Juncker APB's.
The silver one shown here is the first type of the Juncker APB, to me much more attractive as the hollow version, of which the dies survived the war, not of the first type.
Pieter.

I agree the bronze one has a original look to it( I see bronze hardware and bare zinc with no finish, not silver). As far as the supposed gold I don't understand what you mean about rohlings surviving the war. Do you mean that a number of unfinished planchets(or actual zinc badges minus the hardware) survived the war? Sometime later they were finished with '57 type hardware, because original hardware somehow did not survive the war like the planchets. This whole story sounds like crap. If Juncker was wiped out in the bombing, what other Juncker badges survived to be recreated after the war? Surely these were not the only ones.
Also, these pictures are rotten and IMO it is impossible to make any definitive conclusions from them.
best wishes,
jeff