Juncker PAB & IAB head cut

[Dennis GT]

Nice Detective work.

Great work! I never noticed it before and very well explained. Nice Detective work.

Dennis

[Felix]

Great work and explaination Tom!
I have always wondered about the head cut out did not realise they drilled/sawed the cut out on the hinge after it had been put in place. It makes all sense. It is easier to perform the cut out when you have a bigger piece to lock and hence get more stability for the machining procedure.

I was just going to post pictures of my panzer abzeichen when I realised you already posted these detailed shots of my badge!

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
Felix

[Thomas Durante]

You would think the sheet metal folded hinges used for the PABs and IABs would be manufactured with the slot in, before assembly, unless the slot on those also goes to the base of the badge.

Thanks guys

Graeme, I agree and though the slot would have been manufactured first, then attached to the badge. That just isn't the case however, and a little further evidence of this can be seen on mine. I can't get a picture or scan of it, but with my loupe, you can see at the bottom of the slot, there is metal flashing left over from cutting the slot. This flashing is ON TOP OF the solder for the base of the hinge! It is peeled over on each side of the slot, and lays ON TOP OF the solder. There is NO WAY the hinge could have been soldered after that flashing was there. Hope that makes sense.

Tom

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

I just picked up a nice early, nickel silver Juncker IAB. As most of these early hollow Juncker IABs & PABs, it has the typical "head cut", but the feature on this exact badge is unique enough to be "proof postive" of my theory that this was formed when the center piece of the hinge was trimmed out. A few scans from the top of the badge show that there were 3 mill cuts for the hinge, each with its own distinct groove and is designated by a small piece of standing material between each groove. The left groove is very deep, with the middle groove being a bit shallower and the right groove being even a bit more shallower, and making the cut look more like steps. This matches EXACTLY to the cut on the head!

Hope you guys are as convinced as I am with this additional piece of evidence, very clear IMO. What else could it be, if not the cut out for the hinge?

Tom

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[Don D.]

I was convinced before this badge. I think this one should clear all remaining doubts from anyone who has them.

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi Tom......

......About the only thing I can add to Don's statement above is: nice work!

[stewy]

Great work Tom! Stewy

[fischer]

Awesome piece of work Tom...Makes perfect sense to me and the examples show this was the reason for the cuts...Great investigative work my friend...

Best Regards, fischer

PS. Your new Juncker IAB is lovely...Just an outstanding example of one of the best makers of IAB's...Congrats.

[IVAN]

Thanks Tom for your work....very good news....

[Graeme]

Nice badge Tom

...and a great pic you posted of the hinge area. Pretty much explains the theory.

regards
Graeme

[Thomas Durante]

Thanks guys! Its not every day we get to see some really firm confirmation of some of our speculations, so I was a very happy camper when this one arrived.

On to the next mystery!

Tom

[nonameno]

Hi Tom,
I know this is an old thread, which I have just now noticed..but, I wanted to add my thanks for the excellent research and deduction work on your part. I have a number of these badges and had always wondered about that cut out on the head.
Excellent sleuthing!
Thank you and best wishes,
Curtiss Shattuck