Thanks Gents. Not sure if this photo helps or hurts. I zoomed in on the hinge area of the 2nd one.
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Hi guys,
Just got back in town from a few days of R&R up in NYC, my old stomping ground. Had a chance to stop my Marc's house (flak88) and check out his awesome collection. Unbelievable stuff, some really rare pieces. He also gave a great tour of the City via the top of the Empire State Building (thanks again for the hook up Marc!!).
Anyway, the FLL looks like a gold clasp, based on the remnants of the finish on the hinge and pin. It is very typical for FLLs to loose pretty much all their finish like this, so IMO, its an original gold clasp.
TomIf it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a littleNew Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
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Well, Gents I got the CCC in Gold. I do believe it's a gold one, but would like to hear your opinions now with better photos.Alitur vitium vivitque tegendoComment
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The color is nowhere close to any bronze one I have seen.Alitur vitium vivitque tegendoComment
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Here is a photo out in the sunshine.Alitur vitium vivitque tegendoComment
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Close-up of same photo.Alitur vitium vivitque tegendoComment
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Here is the badge that started this thread. It is a Silver CCC, not gold.Alitur vitium vivitque tegendoComment
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Hi Colo,
The FLL is no doubt an original and it is very hard to tell finish from just pics, but I like the gold wash finish on it. Typical of latewar zink FLLs and what I would expect.
On the AGMuK, thanks for better pics. Still aren't really good, but I am still very skeptical of it. Not ever about the finish, but from a few standpoints. That pin is not correct, but looks like its always been on the clasp (looks like there is finish on it). If so, this is a very bad sign as originals were not made with this type of pin. The backplate looks a little small, whereas original 1.1 AGMuKs were pretty well form fitted and high quality. Lastly, I do not like the discoloration around the catch. Looks like fresh attempts at artifical rust or something. This type of catch was not magnetic on originals, so I don't know why there would be rust in that area. This clasp just doesn't make sense and I have a feeling that if you look very close at the obverse, you will see signs of casting bubbles and that this is a repro.
I just returned a very well made REPRO CCC to DETLEV about 2 months ago. In pictures is looked OK, but close up had casting bubbles. Same type of clasp as this, a Large font AGMuK 1.1.1.
TomIf it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a littleNew Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
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Hi Tom - Thanks for the info. I can send you the Silver and Gold CCC badge to look at if you want. They all came out of an estate sale from an OLD collection, and I told the estate seller this particular badge was questionable. The seller after some time, accepted that I was not saying that just to get a good price.
Here is the bronze that came with it and here is the discussion:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=295972
I have a pretty complete inventory and correspondence from the period with regard to all the badges from this estate.
The Silver CCC, I can't find the exact purchase date, but I am fairly sure it dates from 1981-82 based on all other purchases and records from that era. I also have the dealer's name that sold it.Alitur vitium vivitque tegendoComment
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There is NO DOUBT on that bronze AGMuK, perfect textbook example. If you have both in hand, compare them both and see for yourself what you come up with. These are both AGMuK 1.1.1s and date from the exact same time period, so they should be identical. Compare the obverse detailing in particular, does the silver one look "softer" than the bronze?
Sure, you can send them to me and I would be happy to examine them in hand for you. You can also send the bronze one, but I might not send it back
. She's a beauty!
TomIf it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a littleNew Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
[/SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Available Now - tmdurante@gmail.com
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