Juncker Bandenkampfabzeichen feature!

[Tommaso]

You better have a look then... first ten minutes and you will notice something quite familiar!...have you got some spare time this week end? So rent it and have a look! eh eh eh

[SScollector]

Will do!

[Ludwig]

No cut-outs = round pin. Most of the finish usually stays on the pin, hinge,
and catch, because they are not made of zinc like the rest of the badge.
All of mine, are unquestionably authentic.
I know where they came from, and I know what to look for, on Junckers.
All comments welcome. I know that most people don't know a lot about Junckers, and are very afraid of them because of the fact that almost everyone else is, and people just continue to spread the fear of these badges to more and more people, but the truth is that they are quite easy to tell, when you have had an original to examine in the flesh, because even the best fakes are very noticeable, when compared with an original in the flesh. They can make good replicas of any badge, and it can be the same quality, regardless of what type of badge it is, because the same methods of faking badges, are the same.
In other words, any Third Reich badge is reproduced just as good as the Juncker APBs, and it is just as easy to tell the differences, as it is for any type of Third Reich badge.

I know a few collectors of these badges, and they are way rarer than the APBs that were made by the other maker. Junckers are way more popular in Europe. Bronze Juncker APBs are going for over $3,000.00.
In fact, Kai Winkler sold a nice one, not long ago.

Best, Chris

Can´t you please explain why you are so sure about your badges. In the first place I´m thinking of your golden one.

[SScollector]

Well Ludwig, it is obvious that you either know nothing about these badges, or you are just trying to keep the feuds of the APB threads going.
I will let you explain what you think is wrong with the badge, but please understand that you can never make a fake out of that one. It is 100% textbook in every way.

Best, Chris

[R. Schmitt]

...This thread is becoming more and more interesting

[Ludwig]

All of mine, are unquestionably authentic.

I know where they came from, and I know what to look for, on Junckers.

All comments welcome.

I know that most people don't know a lot about Junckers, and are very afraid of them because of the fact that almost everyone else is, and people just continue to spread the fear of these badges to more and more people, but the truth is that they are quite easy to tell, when you have had an original to examine in the flesh, because even the best fakes are very noticeable, when compared with an original in the flesh.

They can make good replicas of any badge, and it can be the same quality, regardless of what type of badge it is, because the same methods of faking badges, are the same.
In other words, any Third Reich badge is reproduced just as good as the Juncker APBs, and it is just as easy to tell the differences, as it is for any type of Third Reich badge.

Best, Chris

Well, obviously all comments AREN´T welcome...
I guess I know nothing.
Feuds? What feuds? There are feuds just about everything here on the WAF, but I´m not aware of any special APB-feud.
My advice to you is, don´t invite people to comment or ask questions, if you are not prepared to give with anything else than insolent answers!
You can learn from professionals, like Tom Durante for example, who answers the questions in a friendly and reassuring way.

[Sonntag]

SScollector, you should compare your "gold APB" with a good one =;-)
Yours is lacking details (e.g.there where you can`t compare it with your 3 cut out variant). Details on front side are wrong. Shape is visible wrong. For example the "cut out" between the head of the snake and the sword. Material looks suspect.
Compare measurements: 48,8 cm x 58,97 cm weight should be about 46,7 g
Remaining finish is "fruity" ;-)
You would better listen to Ludwig...

[Peppe864]

and the plot thickens........

every collectors items are unquestionably authentic in their own eyes.

[SScollector]

Ludwig and the other guy; Do you really think that anyone would actually believe you? Keep em' coming!

Yes, all opinions are welcome, if you can explain why.
Someone that just yells, "FAKE", and cannot explain why, is not welcome
in my opinion.
Also, if either of my two good friends who sold me these two badges from their personal collections would like to tell these guys a thing or two, feel free to jump in, but I will not ask them too, because well respected forum members and collectors such as these, shouldn't even get involved with this sort of foolishness and personally, I couldn't care less what you think, and I doubt that anyone else does.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT I WILL EXPLAIN THE SECRETS
ON HOW TO TELL ORIGINAL JUNCKER APB'S, IN ORDER TO PROVE YOU WRONG!

I will ask you one more time, stop playing games, and tell me what details are lacking. You have failed to provide any information whatsoever,
as to what is wrong with either of my badges, and this is simply because you can't. I know that, and you know that.

Best,
Chris

[Peppe864]

some things to think about.......

Sometimes pictures lie, I have several times bought badges that have looked fine in pictures, but when I got thme in my hand, I have realized that they weren´t good, and then I also have bought badges that has looked crappy on pictures, but been good original pieces.

Sometimes it is hard to tell if something is real or fake just from photos, most "experts" would want to have the item in their hands before making a final judgement.

So let´s try to learn something in this thread, Sonntag have pointed out a few things that he thinks is wrong, does anyone else have anything more to say?
Let´s keep to hard facts.

[Ludwig]

Ludwig and the other guy; Do you really think that anyone would actually believe you? Keep em' coming!

Yes, all opinions are welcome, if you can explain why.
Someone that just yells, "FAKE", and cannot explain why, is not welcome
in my opinion.
Also, if either of my two good friends who sold me these two badges from their personal collections would like to tell these guys a thing or two, feel free to jump in, but I will not ask them too, because well respected forum members and collectors such as these, shouldn't even get involved with this sort of foolishness and personally, I couldn't care less what you think, and I doubt that anyone else does.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT I WILL EXPLAIN THE SECRETS
ON HOW TO TELL ORIGINAL JUNCKER APB'S, IN ORDER TO PROVE YOU WRONG!

I will ask you one more time, stop playing games, and tell me what details are lacking. You have failed to provide any information whatsoever,
as to what is wrong with either of my badges, and this is simply because you can't. I know that, and you know that.

Best,
Chris

Read what I wrote and stop acting like a hurt child.

[R. Schmitt]

Chris and everyone else...
I knew this thread was becoming...interesting!
Here's what I think - There's a little too much cockyness in the air right now, too much for my taste - a little arrogance, yes, but this here... NO!
Many members, and I thought the same way a little while ago, are expecting a full analysis of their fake badges once they're given the thumbs down. In obvious cases, that is no problem, but since we are pretty much all familiar with figures like K.S. aka A.H. for example, it does make sense not to discuss out every single detail that might be different from a real badge. Food for the Fakers' production Improvement Process, seen it before, and we'll see it again.
It might be a little too late for that now, but after Ludwigs questioning your badge, you might wanna have contacted him by PM to make sure instead of making that, and this was your mistake, wrong turn by becoming a little aggressive.
It happens all the time, just browse the Forum - an item is posted, all opinions are being accepted, but the problems come up if the item has been given the thumbs down AND the current Owner posted those pix AND that guy isn't man enough to face reality. Instead, he disbelievess, goes on to another forum and another, then maybe asks the bakerman who finally gives him the thumbs up on this item because his cousin said so or sth. AND THEN, although it is such an ORIGINAL beauty, the item is soon after being resold to a poor fellow being told it's 100% real just to keep yourself from the fact that you KNOW it is a Reproduction.
I have little knowledge about APBs, but even if it was a good one (but the pattern shows the typical "Disbelief Pattern" already), you're already blocking yourself from a Neutral Discussion on this particular badge through this thread or through PM....
That's this Forum's Strenth!
Get a Grip, as long as you still can...
My 0.02 EUR
Rainer

[hochiminhtrail]

well some of the APB experts should come in and give some judgments here, before all this goes all to nasty. If realibale sources can jump in maybe we can all learn something here.
I think a collector should be open to questions if he post something here, and that discussion should be made, made the ownner of the APB can explain why he think his is a good piece, maybe he has some points to make that we are not aware, i cant judge on this Golden APB, because i have no clue, but i think a constructive discussion is appropriate.

I think Ludwig is right to bring up the question, maybe he felt uncomforatble with it and his question was legitimate. We are here to learn and there is always a person with more knowledge then yourself.

maybe this badge is good, at the end we will know why because it will have been explained here, (well at least i ll hope).


cheers

Alex

[Giel VW]

Guys,

Please keep it decent over here, I'm sure we can all talk to each other like grown ups about these badges. I also know they are tricky and that it is better that we don't give the fakers the information they exactly need, so respect each other when it comes to that point.

Chris and Ludwig, I truly respect both of your guys collecting these damn rare items and knowing so much about them (it's really something of which I want to learn much more as well!), but it might be better here to discuss this particular badge in private. I know this is a public forum, but I don't want that this thread will end up in a mess.

I don't want any more personal attacks in this thread or I will be forced to close it.

Come on guys, work it out

I hope you understand,

[SScollector]

This is my last comment regarding the authenticity of my badges
and to the people who are so desperately trying to make them fake.

Well, I think I have proved my point. They cannot tell us anything that is wrong with the badges, because there is nothing wrong with them. Plain and simple. Why in the Hell would you think that I would want to discuss anything with Ludwig via P.M.s? I couldn't care less about what he thinks or what knowledge he has to offer. You are referring to a guy that just
said that the material is wrong on the gold badge, and also the shape of the badge. That's was almost funny.
It is nothing personal though. I'm just stating the facts.

Every die flaw and every bit of detail is exactly the way it should be.
I don't need anyone to tell me what to look for, as I know every die flaw
that appears on the Juncker APBs, (five, to be exact), as well as the construction and the specifics of the hinge, catch, pin, and finish.
I am the only person who has the two badges to compare in the flesh and I have carefully compared for hours, every single thing between the two badges, all the way down to the pebbling in certain areas. I can absolutely swear that every detail and every die flaw is 100% identical on both of my Juncker badges, (except for the three cut-outs and the cut-out of the mouth next to the blade, which is proper for each variation), and that they were made from the same dies. Anyone who tells me that they are not the same, or that one is lacking details compared to the other, does not know what they are talking about. I will admit that my photos aren't the best, and perhaps they are making things appear inaccurate in certain areas.

Anyway, with that said, anyone who thinks that my gold badge is fake,
must also believe that the bronze one is fake as well, and I would love for anyone to tell me that the bronze one is fake.
Bottom line; Don't call fake, if you cannot back up your reasons.

Also, I will own these badges for the rest of my life.
They will never be for sale, so I don't care who likes or dislikes them.
I will continue to show these badges as a reference to other collectors,
as to what a real Juncker is supposed to look like,
because they are both, 100% original and cannot be made into a fake.

Best,
Chris