Juncker PAB, bronze

[Robert P.]

I just bought this badge, and wanted to ask for opinions, please...

Robert

[Robert P.]

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[Robert P.]

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[Don D.]

Looks like a nice one to me.

[Robert P.]

Thanks Don,

I know very little about PAB's, so I've decided to learn by picking up as many of the common makers I can find to study. The head of this eagle is surely nice. I would have guessed it to be either an S&L or Juncker by the hardware. Did S&L make a PAB?

Robert

[Robert P.]

Looking through the archives I found this old thread on an S&L PAB, with three reverse variations/styles:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ight=S%26L+PAB

The photo I'm posting, is this an accepted S&L reverse setup?

Robert

[Den]

A wonderfull badge in a great condition, love these junckers/S&L I believe collectors still argue about that.

regards Den

[Chet Sowersby]

Bob,
Good looking PAB.

Chet

[Robert P.]

Thanks all ,

Den, I can see a real difference in the obverse of both badges (J, S&L), and from what I can see so far the reverse recesses for the catch and hinge look different on both also.

Robert

[Marc Garlasco]

Branching out, are we...

[Robert P.]

Branching out, are we...

Yeah,

With only one maker-marked PAB and a gaggle of oval-crimps, I thought it time to gather in some of the other PAB's. But I'm still keeping a sharp eye out for any flak's that may show up. I lost sleep over missing that B&NL yesterday by ONE minute. Who would have thought that piece would show up on the e-stand, and in THAT condition?

Back on topic... Den, I'm still a little confused as to why collectors stew over these two types. There seem to be dominant features which identify each maker's badge (J & S&L). Is it because neither are marked?

Robert

[Den]

Hi Robert, it confuses me too to be hounest, the obverse between these two show differences and the hardware on Junckers is almoast the same on every badge, S&L has very different pin setups, I think it was Frank Heukemes who linked these two together, there were many threads discussing these. found this old thread from Van Luger that explains a little. found these S&L's in my files with so many different setups.
regards Den
S&L PAB vs. Zimmermann PAB Theory?
VonLuger

[Robert P.]

Hi Robert, it confuses me too to be hounest, the obverse between these two show differences and the hardware on Junckers is almoast the same on every badge, S&L has very different pin setups, I think it was Frank Heukemes who linked these two together, there were many threads discussing these. found this old thread from Van Luger that explains a little. found these S&L's in my files with so many different setups.
regards Den
S&L PAB vs. Zimmermann PAB Theory?
VonLuger

Thank you so much Den,

There IS a wide assortment of pin assemblies for the S&L, very confusing. Thank you for the photo. It will come in very handy looking for that 'right' S&L...

Robert

[Graeme]

Hi Robert

The design of the badge that started this thread is believed by many to be from an unknown maker.

regards
Graeme

[Robert P.]

Hi Robert

The design of the badge that started this thread is believed by many to be from an unknown maker.

regards
Graeme

Not Juncker, huh? That's interesting. I suppose others who believe it was made by Juncker think this because of the hardware, right?

Robert