David Hiorth

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Fat Daisy IAB In Aluminium?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Fat Daisy IAB In Aluminium?

    Hi Guys,

    I received this from a member on the estand yesterday.

    On opening the package it was in and taking a 'two second' look and feel of it I immediately dismissed it out of hand as a fake.

    Contacted the vendor who has no problems taking it back but also assured me that it was OK and I have previously purchased quality items from them. Well, seeing I believe that there is always someone smarter than you I decided to have a second look.

    I received some photos and help from Steve Conroy and it appears that this particular badge is very close to the 'Fat Daisy' variant.

    This is what I have deduced from checking further:

    1. The hinge/pin/clasp assembly is though, totally different from other 'Fat Daisy' varients I have previously seen. The clasp plate is unevenly cut and looks a bit 'tacky' in the quality stakes.

    2. I have weighed it on my electronic reloading scales and it comes out at just 11.91 grams. My tombak hollowback IAB comes in a 14.03 which is not much more until you realize that it is 15% heavier. The difference in weight is quite noticable though when you handle both badges.

    3. I don't believe the material is zink as it is so thin. Could it be aluminium or some sort of cheap tin alloy. No bubbling to the finish is apparent.

    4. None of the parts of the badge are magnetic.

    5. Under 10x magnification you can see traces of old finish and to top it three fractures running with folds in the metal which is very, very thin. Oddly enough, the fractures do not detract from the overall appearance and can only really be seen from the rear. These fractures are found on:

    a) South West part of swastica.
    b) Top of the rifle just below the Southern point of the swastika.
    c) Under the rifle just below the bayonet including part of the sling.

    If anyone has any comments on this item then please let me know.

    Thanking in advance.



    Regards ...
    Attached Files

    #2
    Rear...
    Attached Files

    Comment


      #3
      it is a fake. The reverse looks like the reverses of the british fakes. The cutout between rifle and swastika is to long and quite a few other things are just wrong here.

      Comment


        #4
        two of my daisys to compare...
        Attached Files

        Comment


          #5
          .
          Attached Files

          Comment


            #6
            ..
            Attached Files

            Comment


              #7
              ...
              Attached Files

              Comment


                #8
                I would have to tentatively agree with Sven. So far not one I would want.

                If you closely compare the First and Second pattern Daisies this one does not completely conform to either the buntmetal or zinc examples. To me the eagle is closer to the second pattern Daisy but the wreath characteristics are clearly off. The unsymmetrical lower arm of the swaz is definitely a first for me, none of my daisies have that feature and the area where the sling meets the wreath band doesn't match either pattern Daisy. As to the hardware, I plain don't know if that variation can be found on Daisy PAB's, but I haven't seen it as yet on an IAB......doesn't mean they don't exist, I just haven't seen it.

                Comment


                  #9
                  I agree, very dangerous en well made recent fake.

                  KR
                  Philippe

                  Comment


                    #10
                    I agree with the others and want to add one thing. Look how the finsih wants to pretend "fading finish on zinc." But look how glossy the finish is in the part that is supposed to be faded. These faded parts are always very matt and never look that way on originals. Just a additional detail, the other findings weigh in more.
                    Cheers, Frank

                    Comment


                      #11
                      [quote=hagwalther] 3. I don't believe the material is zink as it is so thin. Could it be aluminium or some sort of cheap tin alloy. No bubbling to the finish is apparent. [/quote]

                      Sounds like a match to the resently discovered Fake hollow Assmann IAB when it comes to the thin material.

                      That is a nasty fake alright.
                      Regards
                      Hans N

                      Don´t throw away your fake WB´s! Get in touch with me.
                      I collect them for reference purposes for the benefit of the hobby (for the right "fake" price of course).

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Thanks for all the help here guys.



                        It looks like my initial and immediate impression on the badge was correct.

                        The main attribute pointing to it being a fake is the lightweight, cheap feel to it and this cannot be shown with photos.

                        It's been packed up and will be posted out of the country tomorrow.

                        Regards...

                        Comment

                        Users Viewing this Thread

                        Collapse

                        There is currently 1 user online. 0 members and 1 guests.

                        Most users ever online was 10,032 at 08:13 PM on 09-28-2024.

                        Working...
                        X