Or this Wound badge. The point here is that hinge/pin assemblies were made by hand and can show alot of variation. These are all GB products.
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Well done Don! You found a buntmetal flak with a different pin. I guess with your rationalizations ALL "variations" are original because it is impossible to tell original from fake. And that I believe is why you sold your third reich collection, you were unable to tell real from copy. It appears you made the right choice!
As far as these badges go enough information has been provided for everyone else to make there own decision re: the numbered GB.
To answer your earlier question we am not drawing any lines re: "variations".
The buyer of any piece is the ultimate arbiter of where the line is drawn. If they are happy with their purchase, great for them. best wishes,
jeffLooking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.Comment
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Thanks again for the reply Jeff. I guess you, Philippe and Skip have the only real GBs in the world. There are no variations authorized. Not that they have never been wrong: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=51741
That is the attitude that led to me selling most of my TR stuff. Imperial is so much more open and relaxed. Of course, in five years when the Hero's fakes have ruined TR collecting you are more than welcome to come over to Imperial too.
Best wishes.pseudo-expertComment
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Of course it is all about the learning. So let's look once more at a GB pin from a Luft Flak. Thanks to Marc for the scan.pseudo-expertComment
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Here the mark made by the bending tool on the pin during manufacture.pseudo-expertComment
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And I believe this is Philippe's badge from the beginning of this thread. Now, it the pins were made by the same tool one would expect the mark to be the same. No variations allowed.pseudo-expertComment
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Yours on the other hand appears to be a better match.pseudo-expertComment
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So here is the problem as I see it: If both badges are good than GB either bought reverse setups from outside suppliers, or had more than one machine/person making them in house. Either way that means variations of reverse setups are possible and likely. Or one badge could be bad.
Reverse setups alone have never been a reliable way to identify makers of awards. You have to focus on the badge ittself. Unfortunately the one badge in this thread with theoretical provenence is not detailed enough for us to tell anything.pseudo-expertComment
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The badge with the provenence belonged to Karl-Heinz Blunck. It was a perfect type one. I was going to buy the group but already had a GB 50, so I passed.Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
Don you keep trying to muddy the waters here. I never focused on the reverse hardware alone. If you look at my posts I said I would accept some variation but I cannot accept a different tank, wreath, numberbox, pin, and finish. A good example is the bronze GB 50's that Bill Shea had for sale. They had no rivets, yet were accepted as authentic because other parts of the badge matched. Why don't you start focusing on the whole badge.
Instead of generalizations why don't you explain why you think a particular piece is real instead of expecting everyone else to prove it is bad. I'm sorry your badge fell into a grey area. There are a number of numbered GB's that are in this grey area. I don't know for sure if any or all of them are fake or real. What I do know is if I was looking for a numbered GB I would stick to the type 1. best wishes,
jeffLast edited by Jeff VanHofwegen; 08-26-2007, 10:58 PM.Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.Comment
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My point exactly Jeff. The badge itsself is the key. Unfortunately I don't have clear pics of Blunck's badge. In my mind it is the benchmark badge until we find another one with provenance. I find it hard to believe that this type badge by this particular maker has been faked so well by several different fakers at the same time. Why would one faker make 4-5 variations (dies)?
These badges will probably remain pariahs.
I was hoping more people would chime in but all I see here anymore is "Is it real?" and "How much is it worth?"
I guess I will spend some extra time at the MAX looking at these.
Thanks for the discussion anyways.pseudo-expertComment
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