hollow IAB with missing oakleaf

[franki]

Here comes another one

Best Franki

[Philippe DB]

Hi Sven,

Never seen anything like it, looks like a zinc F&R design IAB to me. Are you sure the missing part just didn't fell of as a result of the zinc rot. This should be easy to tell if you could show us a profile shot of the area between rifle butt and wreath.

I have never seen any type of BH Mayer or F&R design IAB with that part of the wreath missing.

@Franki, stunning badge

KR
Philippe

[franki]

here comes the reverse as from any menbers requested.

As far as I can see it does not made of zinc.
I can regocnise some brass under the silver finish where it has some marks of having been worn.
Its weight is 13,6 gramms.

[Philippe DB]

As far as I can see it does not made of zinc.
I can regocnise some brass under the silver finish where it has some marks of having been worn.
Its weight is 13,6 gramms.

Hi Franki,

You are correct these indeed are early buntmetal badges. As far as I can remember I have never seen this IAB design in zinc.

KR
Philippe

[Graeme]

Hi Sven

As Philippe said, looks like it may have rotted away, definitely looks like the BH Mayer style.

Franki - Super looking badge


regards
Graeme

PS Sven - next time it will be easier to post your badge first and then ask "what have I got here"

[Master3477]

[quote=GraemeS]Hi Sven

As Philippe said, looks like it may have rotted away, definitely looks like the BH Mayer style.
/quote]

Hi Graeme,

the finder is searching for ground dugs for 25 years. He said that he was finding these kind of IAB quite a few times. And I believe him. So all of these IABs are rotted away the same way? I don`t think so!

But this thread is to discuss it.

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi Sven,

I also do not think something rots PRECISELY away like that without really affecting the immediate surroundings. I must have been made that way. Quite unusual for that design.

[Graeme]

Hi Sven

I did not realise there was more than one IAB like this. I agree it would be strange for all of them to rot away in the same place. I also said it "may" have rotted away, you have it in hand and can see the edges much better than us.

My thoughts were that, for me, it appeared closest to the BH Mayer design and when I compared to one of mine it was very close indeed, apart from the cutout area. Also on the reverse around the cutout area, it appeared to be very pitted...and very jagged just below the trigger.

When you have not seen a particular badge before and it is in a very bad state you try and compare to known badges.
The catch looks similar to those seen on BH Mayers, can we see better pic of hinge? I can't even make out where it is attached.

It would be great to see a couple more shots of the cut out area from different angle if possile.

Interesting thread

cheers
Graeme

[franki]

Here are coming some pics
and hope they shed a little bit more light on it.

Best Franki

[franki]

reverse

[franki]

side

[Andreas Klein]

Hello Sven,

as i allready said an saturday their is a high chance that this part of this B.H. Mayer IAB is rotten away. I know what the finder said about it, but i'm not 100% sure if he was correct because he isn't a expert for the different IABs.

Therefore i think he said that he found alot of IABs in the past (and perhaps alot of hollow ones because in your talk he didn't care in different makers) but he didn't say that he had often found the B.H. Mayer design with the missing leaf.

Until further informations from him I would make a bit question mark on this IAB.

[Graeme]

Excellent pics Franki

Sven, we need the same quality pics of your badge, in the cut out leaf area we are discussing....angled shots if possible

cheers
Graeme

[Master3477]

I will make some camera pics as soon there is some daylight.

[Master3477]

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