Panzer Lanyard...

[robert60446]

Hi Guys,
There is one thing which I have a hard time to understand. Why to mass with the good Lanyard, disassemble it to pieces and then add good tank badge to the wrong (post war) cord? It just doesn’t make any sense to me. Tank badge from Philippe’s Lanyard is already 9th grade, in this case fakers would not gain any value at all…

[Philippe DB]

Dear Robert,

Well this is a new field for me too but taken in to account that everything with a swas is faked nowadays I would be very surprised to find out that this wasn't the case with lanyards even though I wonder who's collecting them? (apart from Tim of course )

Anyway I think we should expect to encounter two fake or messed with types:

1. 100% copie both fake cord and badge
2. original badges on fake cords.

Number two could very well be more common then we think. From time to time I see loose lanyards badges. These most of the time can be bought for a few €'s. I can imagine that you could make a quick € by attaching such an original badge to a fake cord en sell them to the uneducated.

I more then ones also encountered lanyards that are in terrible condition. Also in this case I can imagin that it is very tempting to dismantel them, throw away the rotten cord and place the hardware on a new cord.

KR
Philippe

[robert60446]

I guess you made some good points Philippe...
I have one more picture to post. It is from DDR time. Panzer Lanyard from DDR Army...i guess it is something to be aware of it (i'm talking about the cords).

1. 100% copie both fake cord and badge
2. original badges on fake cords.

Number two could very well be more common then we think. From time to time I see loose lanyards badges. These most of the time can be bought for a few €'s. I can imagine that you could make a quick € by attaching such an original badge to a fake cord en sell them to the uneducated.

I more then ones also encountered lanyards that are in terrible condition. Also in this case I can imagin that it is very tempting to dismantel them, throw away the rotten cord and place the hardware on a new cord.

[heers68]

Sorry,dont like the looks of this one. The "knots" on top and bottom of badge sould be wood core with a very heavy and obvious "braid" to them in the metalic thread.(search for "shooting lanyard" here and you will see what I mean)there sould be a wood core knot on top of the badge as well on 3rd reich schutzenschnurs. This braid is a bit long also,14 twists is the norm with 15 being VERY rare. The treads on the cannon rounds also look questionable,originals I have seen have thin metalic single strand of thread used to suspend them. Threads on yours look painted silver over blue cloth?This apears to be a post war braid with a period or repo ww2 badge. Kevin.

[Joachim_Nilsson]

This just arrived in the mail today.

Grade 1 Panzer Lanyard





14 knots, green cloth fastened with green threads on the back of the badge and no protective covering on the back of the lanyard. From what I could discern the silver cord material has got four threads.

Badge dimensions:

Height: (from head of eagle to base of medal) 56mm
Width: 42mm

This will be my first and only lanyard, mainly due to the "theme" of my collection.

[Joachim_Nilsson]

Seems that interest for this thread have petered out. I was kind of hoping that my post would have at least a minimal impact and that further discussion would follow it.

[CMSgt]

Gray Shield

Just seen this discussion. I have a lanyard that has a dark gray shield and dark gray acorns. I have 5 lanyards and they all have 14 knots (one is luftwaffe). In the Luftwaffe lanyard each cord has 7 strands of silver with four strands of black crossing the silver.

Is there more than one maker and how many? How do you tell who made the lanyard without taking it apart. The three shields I am posting look to be made by at least two different makers, this I arrived at by looking at how the swatiska meets the feathers

[CMSgt]

Dark acorns

These acorns go with the shield above.

[CMSgt]

2nd shield

Shield

[CMSgt]

3rd shield

shield

[CMSgt]

What grade

This one I just got off estand. I believe it is a grade 12?

[Tim Curley]

zO6berlin Questions

Your question concerning the lanyard you just bought from the eStand - it is a Grade 8, not a Grade 12. While the badge design is exactly the same for Grades 5-8 and Grades 9-12, the first set of lanyards has a "silver" finished badge/shield while the second set of lanyards has a "gold" finished badge/shield. In addition, the Grade 9-12 lanyards each have 3 gold knots and any attached acorns or shells should be gold/gilt in color.

Your question concerning makers - Although period catalogs may show companies such as Assmann selling lanyards, I suspect they contracted out to have the cloth part of lanyards made for them, then attached the appropriate badges/shields. Once in a while, you will find ink stampings such as "T&S" on the wool backing behind the rosette. I have a number of loose badges/shields and none show any maker's markings or logos nor have I ever heard of any markings on these items.

[CMSgt]

Lanyards

Thanks for the info Tim. Have you seen before the setup of the dark shield and acorns before? I had originally thought the acorns had just turned color and didn't pay attention to the shield being the same color. All of my other lanyards both the shield and acorn are silver colored. Thanks again for the info. Jim

[CMSgt]

Navy Lanyard

This lanyard came off of my Submariner's dress jacket. It has 14 knots like the other lanyards. The acorn is metal (non-magnetic) and is 30mm L x 15mm W (measured across the widest part)(does not include the eyelet).

[CMSgt]

acorn

Acorn