BSW Logo Pattern

[Okrach]

Hi,

I have seen some LW badges marked by the BSW stamp but.. the stamp seems to be different on the war-time badges and on the post war (57) ones.

The main pattern remains exactly as it was - three overloaping rings with the capital letter BSW. Let me compare them two - the post war stamps seem to a mirror match of the war-time but the letter are in different positions. How could it be?

Was the BSW post war stamp changed to the new pattern? Or simply items marked with the version '1957 stamp' are fakes. ( I know the fakes stamped with the '57 version' stamp.

Can anyone help me with this one?

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

I can't provide any evidence, but I heard once that the "SBW" marking (what you are calling "57") is a fake marking appplied to repros that came out of the US. Further, any BSW (regardless of letter arrangement) marked "57er" I have seen has looked to me like a glitzy and/or poor quality de-nazified fake.

Regards
Mike K

[Okrach]

Hmm.. some of them (SBW) were already discussed here as original 57-ers...

[Frank Heukemes]

can you lead us to the location?

[Grant Broadhurst]

Hi ,

I personally think the BSW stamp if stamped on 1957 pieces would have remained the same why change it ?

Regarding the BSW stamped 1957 pieces , the ones i have held and examined are of very poor late quality and i,m divided as to wether they are legitimate 1957 awards or copys , this is another grey area of 1957 awards that needs clearing up and i,m trying to get to the bottom of .

Regards

Grant

[Okrach]

Hi,
I am running out of time today but before friday I shall post some pics of these suspicious awards as well as to show the threads Frank asked for.

Is there any chance that these SBW pieces are '57 originals?

[Grant Broadhurst]

I think the only way to prove the new BSW stamp is ok is by finding other post war awards i.e. the Bundeswehr , flood awards etc with the new stamp on it .

[Marvin Jeffus]

Bsw Iab?

I have been curious regarding this badge and the location of the mm. This has been posted with mixed reviews.Frank, what are your thoughts?

[Okrach]

It is off topic a bit...

[Marvin Jeffus]

well I do humbly apologize, thought the topic was BSW logo.

[Okrach]

Hi all,

Frank here is one of threads the 57 para reverse was posted..

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=57+BSW

Well EVERY single construction detail is exactly the same as on my two which came today. BSW logo is blurry but one may justify what's on it and it would be SBW!

Opinions?

[Okrach]

well I do humbly apologize, thought the topic was BSW logo.

Nothing to apologise, the topic is actually the 57-ers..

Hmmm.. I would say the mark on your badge looks at least normal typical BSW logo...

Since the marks were stamped by hand their location could be different - it is my opinion and I am not the expert like Frank is.

[Okrach]

The owner of the badge presented above writes:

Here is a shot of a similar para badge with the 41 on pin, but this also has the BSW mark on the eagle. Here is a shot.

LDO number on the pin - so sad it has not been shown though.

Comparing my both para examples I must admit, I was quite sure I must have the LDO number on my pins as well - there is none. How could it be?... The comparision is showin a stunning similiraty to the both badges I have - where is the number on the pin then? (I will try to post pictures tommorow for better details)

[Frank Heukemes]

That para looks more like a denazified fake to me than a 57 badge.
The name of the company is Br******252;der Schneider Wien. BSW is the only sequence that makes sense, pre 45 or nowadays. SBW = Schneider Br******252;der Wien is a sequence not possible in German. It is the English/American way "Schneider brothers, Vienna", which supports the American fake theory voiced earlier.

[Okrach]

I have as well the Beobachter Abz. (57) with the same logo... Better pictures tommorow... But from the first analysis it reveals same hinge and catch pattern...

I will tell the seller...

PS. BTW is it not against the rules selling items on the E-Stand (Medals and Badges Table) and NOT naming them as fakes