Spain medal, "blue division" of Russia!

[RonR]

Tom,

Never felt good about this one with a "red" edge ribbon.....


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[RonR]

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[RonR]

And a questionable "white" edge example...


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[RonR]

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[Tom Yanacek]

Although these look almost too good to be true, they appear to be original German-made, wartime ribbons in mint condition.

[Tom Yanacek]

Hi Ron,

Your ribbons in post #32 and #34 look like they could both be of Spanish manufacturer. The one in post #32 definitely has the look of a Spanish-made ribbon IMO. Even the one from post #34 as well. The Spanish-made, wartime ribbons usually had a more lemony-yellow central stripe whereas the German-made ribbons were more orange-yellow. I've read somewhere, too, that usually the central stripe on the Spanish-made ribbons were narrower than on the German-made ribbons: 3mm as opposed to 4mm.

It's possible that the ribbon on John T's medal is Spanish-made as well. (post #28)

Hopefully, some of our Spanish collector friends will see this thread and respond.

Best regards,
Tom

[Thomas Durante]

Thanks guys. Just to be clear, are all the medals shown in this thread thought to be original and just the ribbons questionable? Or are the medals thought to be questionable as well?

Thanks

Tom

[Thomas Bendixen]

Thanks guys. Just to be clear, are all the medals shown in this thread though to be original and just the ribbons questionable? Or are the medals thought to be questionable as well?

Thanks

Tom

Good question Tom, years ago I ordered a "Deschler Hoard" to replace mine, which had lost all Finnish. When I received it it turned out to be smaller in diameter than the one I had so I returned it.

KR. Thomas

[Blue Division]

Example of three of my medals. two medals gate on the left and tape are original German manufacture. The Medal ribbon on the right has the tape Spanish manufacturing ... medal is false

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Thomas, that is very interesting about the small diameter of the Deschler-hoard example but leaves me with more questions:

1. What are the dimensions of your worn original versus the Deschler example?
2. Is your original example a Deschler too? (If we are looking at 2 different makers, that could possibly explain the difference in sizes.)
3. Does anyone doubt the Deschler-hoard story and maybe we are looking at modern fakes mixed in with originals??

Blue Division, thanks for posting your examples. Can you show closeups of the 3rd medal, the one that you believe to be fake? That one looks very good in detail compared to the originals you show and am curious as to what constituted a fake.

Thanks guys.

Tom

[Thomas Bendixen]

Hi Tom, I didn't write down the measurements on the hoard piece but remember that it was smaller in diameter. I'm pretty sure I measured it against the one presently in my collection measuring 32,5 mm.

KR. Thomas

[Thomas Bendixen]

Rev

[Blue Division]

Thomas...false medal ... it is very difficult to appreciate differences with the original medal in pictures. The weight is much less than the original medal. seems aluminum

[Blue Division]

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[Blue Division]

...is false left.
regards

Antonio