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**luftkrieg** · 06-20-2010, 12:42 PM

I will add that in my opinion i think the metal backing plate is an original and i have seen ribbon bars constructed like this i.e. big ribbons spread over two backing clips. I cannot be sure about the ribbons unless i held it, but they do look very fresh, the 10yr especially. I have edited out the writing on the reverse.

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**luftkrieg** · 06-20-2010, 12:43 PM

Reverse again.

Have also included a picture of my own ribbon bar with this type of construction: 1 ribbon over 2 clips (on blue background).

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**Tom Yanacek** · 06-20-2010, 01:28 PM

Hi Pierce,

I'm not liking the look of this and extreme caution is warranted here. Real ones are very, very rare.

I don't consider the use of a six-place backing plate for assembling a three-place, wider ribbon width bar disqualifying in and of itself. However, the ease at which a ribbon bar of this type can be assembled dictates more scrutiny than ever, especially when considering such a rare combination. Not only extremely rare by virtue of having all three NSDAP decorations, but even more unusual by the fact there are no other decorations on the bar.

The ribbons look acceptable in the photos, but the devices scare me. I do not like the gray metal look of the devices on the 15 and 25-Year. Is that paint in the recesses? In my opinion, these devices should be made from a good-quality base metal and then plated in their respective finishes. The quality is just not there for me.

If you decide to get this, just make sure it is returnable and scrutinize it to the max. I know you know what to look for.

Best regards,
Tom

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**Gary B** · 06-20-2010, 03:19 PM

Hi Pierce,

I agree with Tom ref his analysis of the cevices on the ribbon bar you show. (Is that your ribbon bar, Tom??)

I have only seen 1 -2 original 3 place NSDAP combination ribbon bar for sale in the past decade. The last real one I saw was sold by Rick V.

Additionally I have only seen one button hole device with all 3 ribbons in 30 plus years of collecting.

Gary B

**Tom Yanacek** · 06-20-2010, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Gary B View Post

(Is that your ribbon bar, Tom??)

Hi Gary,

Yes it is. It is absolutely real and I stumbled onto it about eight years ago. I never thought I would own such a piece. Here is how it happened:
I went to a small military show in Ohio about eight years ago. There was a WW2 veteran and his son set up at one of the tables. They had a small assortment of militaria (a few badges, a few ribbon bars, tinnies, some bayonets, and one uniform). The stuff was all wartime bringbacks by the veteran behind the table. The first thing I noticed was a brown NSDAP tunic with a pair of matching breeches and the visor cap. The tunic still had its armband and rank insignia attached. The tunic also had loops for a long ribbon bar and loops for at least four or five badges on the left breast pocket and below. The tunic was void of decorations. I checked to see if the tunic was named but alas, it was not. I then saw this ribbon bar in a display case and knew instantly that it was real. It fit the loops perfectly and there is no doubt in my mind that this ribbon bar came off that tunic. He only wanted $50 for this ribbon bar.

Best regards,
Tom

PS: I'd love to have the medal bar to match this ribbon bar!

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**Tom Yanacek** · 06-20-2010, 05:05 PM

Here is the reverse:

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**luftkrieg** · 06-20-2010, 05:37 PM

Thank you Tom and Gary.

I appreciate the input.

I agree Tom, the quality is not there...to me they do not look right. The eagles look "chunky"...compared to the ones on your ribbon bar!

And the fact that this type of bar can be manipulated so easily....it is too much to risk.

As for this bar having no other awards....unusual but not un-natural!

I do know that some did have a seperate ribbon bar for their NSDAP awards. Here is a picture of Fritz Todt wearing a Luftwaffe uniform...his NSDAP ribbon bar is worn seperate to his other bar.

Best regards
Pierce

P.S. Great story Tom, that ribbon bar definately went to a good home!

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**Tom Yanacek** · 06-20-2010, 07:46 PM

Neat picture, Pierce.

I don't recall ever seeing that before, although I have seen it with foreign decorations being worn below the ribbon bar. (Rommel, for instance, wearing his Italian Silver Medal of Valor ribbon below his ribbon bar.) Just goes to show the value of studying period photos.

Best regards,
Tom

**Gary B** · 06-20-2010, 08:19 PM

Very nice photo, Pierce.

Tom.....as you know that story does not surprise me one bit at all.....I am surprsied "old toffe pockets" was able to spend a whole $50 on it! Seriously a super bar. I know Rick V sold one a few years back and it was resold a couple years later. I missed it both times....it was ALOT more than $50 though. Did you get the uniform? That would have been a great set to have.

Gary B

**Tom Yanacek** · 06-20-2010, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Gary B View Post

Tom.....as you know that story does not surprise me one bit at all.....I am surprsied "old toffe pockets" was able to spend a whole $50 on it! Did you get the uniform? That would have been a great set to have.

Gary B

Hi Gary,

That's taffy... "old taffy pockets."

I didn't get the tunic, pants and hat. I don't collect uniforms and this particular one was not in the best of condition. It had quite a bit of moth damage to it and it wasn't cheap like the ribbon bar.

Best regards,
Tom

**RonR** · 06-21-2010, 05:22 AM

Buttonhole Device with the 3 ribbons for comparison

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**Gary B** · 06-21-2010, 10:30 AM

Dear Ron,

Very nice!

I will try to get a picture of mine up.

Tom,

You will be pleased to know that I bought my 3 place NSDAP button hole device for about $1! Now that's a Tom Y type purchase! (but I did not sell it 2 table later for $50!)

Gary B

**luftkrieg** · 06-21-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by RonR View Post

Buttonhole Device with the 3 ribbons for comparison

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As always it is a pleasure to see something from your collection Ron!

Best regards
Pierce

**andrewb** · 06-21-2010, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Gary B View Post

Very nice photo, Pierce.

Tom.....as you know that story does not surprise me one bit at all.....I am surprsied "old toffe pockets" was able to spend a whole $50 on it! Seriously a super bar. I know Rick V sold one a few years back and it was resold a couple years later. I missed it both times....it was ALOT more than $50 though. Did you get the uniform? That would have been a great set to have.

Gary B

Think I was the one who was lucky enough to buy Rick's ribbon bar from JerryW here on e-stand a couple of years back. Got it together with a couple of other beauties that JerryW was selling including one with an SS device. It's the only all 3 NSDAP ribbon bar I've ever seen for sale. It sat on e-stand for 2 days without anyone knowing about it. Unbelieveable. I place a thread on GMIC to confirm it was Rick's, which is where he is now and yes it was his.

Here are some links.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...DAP+bar&page=2

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...dap+ribbon+bar

Regards,
AB.

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