Anti-Partisan badge

[all1knew]

Now, here is my story: A few years back I bought this one from a man in Belgium. He stated that this badge came from Kamiel Lotiens (original recipient) who was in the SS Flämische Flakbrigade. After later researching this unit and the history I found that it would be very hard to be awarded this medal. So, what do you think of this story?

Next, I would like to question the authenticity. I have had too many people look at this badge and say that it is good. In my opinion it looks silver but the make of the badge has more charecteristics of the bronze class. Do you agree with this statement? I have never seen a badge that looked like this production type in silver as this is a hollow back with a wide pin. Do you know what production model this is, type a, type b, ect... Can you tell the maker just by looking at the photos?

Please let me know either way. Thank you for your time.

William Kramer

[Don D.]

your badge is fake. The back is a dead give away. Do a search on the war badge forum for antipartisan badges and you will see all of the differences

[Frank Heukemes]

Sorry but Don is right, no chance for that one to be the real thing, no matter what the story is.

Cheers, Frank

[IVAN]

I agree with other friends.

storys can be done as we want.

ivan

[Tony Barto]

I agree as well. The back is a dead giveaway.

[all1knew]

The badge

Well friends,

Thank you for all of your comments. I had serious doubts about this example but the detail was there and the back looked enough like a bronze example......so, I thought I would take a chance. Anyhow, once again thanks for your input.

William Kramer

[joe campbell]

i am curious as to the unanimity of opinion concerning this badge. is it because
it is stamped rather than cast?

i had no idea that there were stamped APB's until i saw one on gordon williamson's previous website.

if the stamped manufacture is the only factor ruling against it, perhaps gordon would lend his opinion. are there other factors that make you think it is not
a legit badge.

thanks and regards, joe

[Tony Barto]

Hi Joe;

The original examples that I have seen do not show the design of the wreath on the reverse as the one William has posted.

[Gordon Williamson]

Hollow back APB's do exist, but are very rare. I have only ever seen two in this format. Patzwall also illustrates one in his new book on the APB.

The original hollow back pieces are in zink with a needle pin, the hollow struck type shown in this thread is bronzed brass with a wide pin .

[all1knew]

Gordon,

In your honest opinion - just by looking at the photos.....good or bad?

The scales on my badge are much more defined, but once again the back looks like a bronze badge?

Let me ask you this as well, from looking at my badge is it at all possible that it was at one time a bronze manufactured example? It is just a thought running through my head but I have to ask the experts.

Thanks fellas!

William Kramer

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear William,

I do not want to speak for Gordon, but what he just told you in his post above was what an original hollow printed APB has to look like. He didn´t feel any need to mention again that your badge is not an original.

Cheers, Frank

[Gordon Williamson]

William,

I am afraid your badge is definitely a fake. It is I think the same as this type, commonly available in Europe for around $30 or less. The one in my pictures has had the hinge pin replaced/repaired but is I think the same as yours.

[Pieter Verbruggen]

...if this was his original APB, I wonder how his 88 would have looked like...no wonder they lost the war...

Pieter.

[Don D.]

here we go again

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=36047

once again we have a badge being offered on ebay that has been declared a fake.

all1knew- you know it is bad and now you are trying to pawn it on some poor unsuspecting novice.- shame on you.

[all1knew]

eBay.com

Sir,

There is no shame on me. I believe the badge to be of original origin. I think this as the pin and catch show original qualities as does the detail to the badge. In the auction I state that the badge might be a near perfect copy, or in fact original, pre May 1945 manufacture. I also state that if a person wishes to bid they will understand this. So, I hope that you do not view me as a bad guy as I have my opinion and you have yours. Thank you.

William Kramer