I don't think it is a 57er version either. Why would they change the design? The only thing that changed for the 57ers was the eagle/swaz was deleted which wouldn't apply here.....
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That's a good point Don & obviously, as you say, the whole purpose of the '57 awards was to remove the Swaz.
The only other reason would be if the original Die's were lost & they made new ones & for the few that were needed maybe it was easier/cheaper to make die's without the "rope" effect & with a flat back?
That's the only reason that comes to mind that could explain it.
As i said before i have only heard this on the Forum, not in any recognised publication.
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Jamie Cross had a 1st and 2nd Class '57 Ostvolk badges for sale today. They both had the ropes as well.
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I just can't see this being a maker's variant. The ropes are an integral part of the design.pseudo-expertComment
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Don, it's not part of the design on the version shown in post 9, which is ring marked "100". That style of number marking is commonly thought to be original - again, no rope.
Who's to say? s/f RobertComment
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Let's follow the maker mark then for the 2d class. Here is a maker mark for an EK2.pseudo-expertComment
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And another.pseudo-expertComment
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And yet these mm 2d classes have the ropes???
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=mm+100pseudo-expertComment
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And so does Darrell's 1st class mm 100.Originally posted by Darrell View PostI'm confused. The badge is question is a hollow back 1st Class and we are showing 2nd Class flatbacks??
Anywho .... here are the 1st Class that I used to own.pseudo-expertComment
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Sounds reasonable, Don. The posting in number 9 has a similiar or identical 100 stamp style, so far as I can tell. s/f RobertComment
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But the one in post 9 does not have the rope. Manufacturers used lots of manufacturing style and marking variations - why not these?
I'm not hard over on this being original, but we could all post our variations of our badges, from various sources - who got these directly or indirectly from vets?
Period pictures either way? Wartime catalogs or sample boards? If we're going to give it a scrub, let's try to see what actual evidence exists out there?
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I owned many of these awards, and didn't realized I had actually owned one of these medals with-out the ropes.
I sold the one in the photo and several others to Weitze at a SOS a few years ago. Don't remember if it was ring marked or not.
Interesting quirk! If it were a rattle snake it would have bit me!
Cheers,
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reverseOriginally posted by Howard Kelley View PostI owned many of these awards, and didn't realized I had actually owned one of these medals with-out the ropes.
I sold the one in the photo and several others to Weitze at a SOS a few years ago. Don't remember if it was ring marked or not.
Interesting quirk! If it were a rattle snake it would have bit me!
Cheers,
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Here's a photo of a first class case top.
The design does not have the ropes, just lines.
Could the no-rope example just be a varient?
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