Value for FJ ration tin ??

[Willi Z.]

Bail-out kits do not include the Luftwaffe issue Sauer Drilling survival shotgun/rifles in their issue aluminum blue-gray with eagle cases. Yet, those were designed specifically for aircrew members who were shot down in areas where they may have to acquire food. I do not think bail-out kits included those snow camo Luftwaffe issue pullover smocks, yet they were designed for aircrews to carry who flew over artic regions.

Because something is used for jumping from a plane does not automatically imply it is for FJ use. People who pay more than a few hundred $ for these have been sold a used car for the price of a new one. Quoting ebay means nothing. Note all the $75 Luftwaffe rucksacks identified as "FJ rucksacks" on ebay. Everything "Luftwaffe" becomes FJ.

There are Luftwaffe survival manuals out there. There are also former Luftwaffe pilots out there who remember things such as this.

There is a reason gas masks were carried in bags, instead of their metal cans, for FJ jumps.

[Jos L C]

I agree..

Many of these items are just common flight stuff..
In survival kits many items could be found like these small containers in bleu/gray or green.
Probably the blue ones were for over water and the green ones for over land,funny maybe,but there really were 2 different colored types and called "over water " and " over land "..
I guess they could stuff these small tins with sweets and crackers etc..
Price..?
Ridiculous,as all prices at the moment..
Flightstuff isn't very popular,but connected to FJ it makes big $$$,a trick that still seems to work well..
On the other hand flight and FJ are always seen seperately,while in my opinion they shared many items and were part of the same "machine"..

Shot of one of the survival kits..

Jos.

[Jos L C]

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[Bob Lyons]

A couple of examples of this type of tin are shown in the Schiffer book 'Luftwaffe Vs RAF' by Mick J. Prodger, (Flying equipment Of The Air war) on page 94.


He (Prodger) says that the blue coloured tin is an emergency ration box for individuals, and the green coloured tin is an emergency ration box for flight over land. Blue and green tins were marked with the same nomenclature.

The tins illustrated in his book are marked as coming from George Petersen.

Hope this is of some help,

Best wishes

Bob

[Willi Z.]

Thanks Jos.

Welcome to the forum Bob. Long time no see or hear. I hope you share some of your items with us. Thanks for the information. I have no doubt that GP would know what these were for......as intended.

[Bob Lyons]

Thanks Willi, I have tormented John a bit with some queries, and I think I have just about learned how to fly my computer now, if you think I have some stuff that would be worthy of the forum I would be more than happy to show some of my collection.


Best wishes


Bob

[Chris]

George P., as I noted, said he only ever saw two of these blue cans, which to me indicates a very rare item. Yes, I agree George would know what they were for. When I asked him about it in his shop a couple years ago, he said they were used by both aircrew and FJ. He'll be at the Max; we can ask him about them again there. I never said they were purely FJ, so I don't really understand the argument here. It sounds to me like we're all violently in agreement. However, relative to a couple earlier points made by others:

-- The inference in one of the previous posts was that I suggested the item was FJ because of an Eban listing. However, that's not the case. I didn't quote Eban to say it was FJ, I quoted Eban in order to help the individual who started this thread to ask for a market value.

-- A previous post suggested that the absence of such rations from survival kits, where one might expect to find them, was comparable to the absence of LW drillings and snow parkas from survival kits. However, a Luftwaffe drilling, like all weapons, has a serial number and would likely have been kept securely and been something a pilot would have to sign for. A snow parka is a season- and theatre-specific piece of gear. A ration, however, is neither accountable nor seasonal, so I don't think these are comparable.

-- A previous post suggested that the ration cans would be unsuitable for jump rations because they are metal. However, a gas mask can is 6 inches in diameter and over a foot long. A ration can is slightly bigger than a K98 cleaning kit. I don't think an object that size poses a serious risk to a jumper the way a gas mask can might on landing.

[uwezankl]

Dose f. Absprungverpflegung

Morning...

Being German and knowing a bit about Germany's mentality and bureaucracy here my five cents...

The lid says "Dose f. Absprungverpflegung", this describes only the container and not it's contents. The actual food package was most likely separately packed and maybe even sealed. I am pretty sure that the actual rations were delivered in wooden boxes and only packed inside the metal tin before being put into the plane's emergency kit. This would have been the job of the "Flugausruester" or R+S as they are called today. I am also pretty sure that the food pack itself would have been labeled, clearly indicating what was in there (Notverpflegung Land, See, Arktic,...) The quality of the container indicates an item that was meant to be reusable, most likely they were repacked depending on the theater of operations, a Notverpflegung See obviously would be different from one for Land, Wueste, etc...
About the color of the tin...the gray one here on my screen looks like "Luftwaffen Blau-Grau" (maybe wrong...) a green one would have been "Field gray" that actually looks like olive green . Assuming that the color of the box indicates it's usage is speculation and would be very un-German. One man's green is another man's gray...at night they all look alike anyway. If the color meant anything the lid would have been sealed and painted in clearly distinguishable colors, red, green yellow...and it would say "Notverpflegung Land" and not just "Dose fuer..."
Has anybody had a look into the LDV about this? A picture of the actual food pack would also be interesting to see...

Uwe

[Andy F-P]

Jens,
I brought one of these ration tins, in excellent condition, from Regimentals in the UK about 3-4 years ago and paid £275 for it. I know Regimentals is the top end of the market but I had been after one for a few years and it was the first, and last one that I had/have seen for sale. In my opinion, the Kriegsmarine tins sell for about half the Luftwaffe tins.
Regards,
Andy

[zbv500]

Thanks to all who responded and gave a value for the tin.

I guess there is some controversial about them, but i will let this for the experts.

Thank you anyway, Jens