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**Michael N** · 09-25-2005, 12:50 PM

Hey Jens,
Not FJ but a Luftwaffe survival ration for an airplane (pilot and crew). Sorry I cant help you on the exact value, but a factor is the rust and the missing contents.

PAO

**Gran Sasso** · 09-25-2005, 01:50 PM

This tin was used for both pilots and FJs. I would consider a value in this condition app. 150,- - 200,- U$.

**Chris** · 09-25-2005, 03:06 PM

I have a photograph of two FJ's at Cassino with these. I think they were used as special FJ rations, as well as possibly aircrew survival equipment. I have seen many complete LW aircrew survival kits, and I never saw one of these in any of them. (The nomenclature translates to "Parachute Jump Ration.") I sold one of these in considerably better condition at the Max Show last year for $1000. The last one to appear on Ebay three years ago brought about $700. Even in that condition, it is worth at least $500, probably more. They are very rare.

**zbv500** · 09-25-2005, 03:27 PM

Thanks to all who responded

Chris, were the two boxes you mentioned above also empty ?

Thanks Jens

**Michael N** · 09-25-2005, 03:28 PM

Hey Chris,
WOW That price seems a bit much, but maybe its because I am here in Europe. I would love to see the photograph if you have it handy very interesting subject. Are these found in any reference books? I must have overlooked them.

Thanks,
PAO

**Adrian Stevenson** · 09-25-2005, 03:54 PM

Hi Guys, Francois shows one from his collection here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=61129&page=29

Cheers, Ade.

**Gran Sasso** · 09-25-2005, 03:58 PM

They exist also with inscription "Kriegmarine Notverpflegung" for emergency food for crew-members of sunken ships - same here, those are for pilots who were forced to leave thier plane, and not for a planed combat jump.
Also nowhere on the tin appears the word "Fallschirm" - parchute - like mentioned.
Here in germany both could be seen quite often although the pilots one is more rare.

**Wesley's Dad** · 09-25-2005, 05:11 PM

Other way around

Originally posted by Chris

I think they were used as special FJ rations, as well as possibly aircrew survival equipment.

I think this is the other way around... that is this item is definitly air crew survival kit... and possibly also used at special FJ ration. It's formal design and issue purpose was as aircraft onboard survival rations.

Is their a Fallschirm. marked tin as well?

**Willi Z.** · 09-25-2005, 05:53 PM

Interesting......abspringen is to bail out, to jump. Absprung is jump, to have jumped, to have bailed out.

I have always thought these to be aircrew issue, like gravity knives. And, like gravity knives, FJs used them too. Doesn't make them FJ.

**Chris** · 09-25-2005, 06:49 PM

"Also nowhere on the tin appears the word "Fallschirm" - parchute - like mentioned."

Well, the word "Absprung" automatically implies the use of a parachute, unless you think they were planning to jump out of airplanes without one.

No, I have never seen one with any contents. I have only seen a handful in 25 years of collecting just FJ stuff. (George P. told me he had only ever seen two in 40+ years of collecting.)

I'm still unable to post photos, but when I can I'll come back to this thread and post it.

Again, I have seen probably three complete, untouched LW bail-out kits, all of which had the original food and water elements present (Malcolm Fisher had one at the last SOS in February, for example), and NONE of them contained one of these tins. Possibly they were also intended for aircrew to carry individually in a pocket, but has anybody seen a period photo of one of these tins in aircrew equipment layouts? In my opinion, if they were for survival use, the nomenclature would be "Notverpflegung" (Emergency Ration), rather than "[Parachute unless you're planning on jumping out of the airplane without one] Jump Ration."

IMO one of the original design purposes of these rations, and quite possibly the primary design purpose, was as an Iron Ration for paratroopers. Interestingly, the first model USMC jump smock, which was modelled on captured German equipment from Crete, contained a chest pocket specifically for the D-Ration.

**W Petz** · 09-25-2005, 06:58 PM

Willi,

I agree with you that these are Aircrew ration tins...but since FJ have been known to use them many folks like to promote them strictly as FJ special rations...I wonder why $$$$ - Bill

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