Authentic FJ Chinstrap Snaps

[SMP]

Derby 4

[WalterB]

I think you will find that all the PRYM 4H snaps are nickel plated brass, whilst all the PRYM 4 snaps are steel. I therefore suspect the "H" denotes the material used.

Very interesting! Definitely worth exploring as well. I will post mine over the weekend. In the meantime, some I have saved from prior postings.

Prym 4H, Prim 4H! Stocko and Filigree.

[SMP]

Most STOCKOs are brass , but here is a steel one with a PRYM mechanism.

[Sergey K.]

Good observation, Steve, and I think steel Prym 4 made later than Prym 4H cause I've seen this marking on blue late war chinstraps where back side is no chamois but thin glossy leather. This kind of chinstrap is rare enough . I had it only one time. Unfortunately , pix missed somewhere among my files. Perhaps someone have similar to show.

[SMP]

Prym 4

[eubank]

Very interesting point Steve. Will check my Prym's but they seem all covered here. Interesting the different number of dots to the sides of the 4H

[eubank]

Yes Prym 4 in steel is much simpler, I have that type on my 4054.

[The WarDog]

Thx a lot gents. This is avery good help for reference.

[Sergey K.]

Derby 4

Based on leather quality I would place this Derby chinstrap to early one. Steve, can you inform what kind of material the buckle and grommets made from ?

[SMP]

Based on leather quality I would place this Derby chinstrap to early one. Steve, can you inform what kind of material the buckle and grommets made from ?

Hi Sergey,
It is not early. The grommets were zinc and steel. The buckle was steel.

[Sergey K.]

Hi Sergey,
It is not early. The grommets were zinc and steel. The buckle was steel.

Hi Steve, you right, this indicates to late prod.

[SMP]

Hi Steve, you right, this indicates to late prod.

Hi Sergey, your previous question prompted me to think about buckles. I have had 2 M38 that had brass friction buckles. One was a DD, so I am guessing that the earliest straps used brass. Is that your view ?

[eubank]

I wonder if the dots , by the H , 3 or 1, has anything to do with brass content or material used also on PRYM 4H snaps ?

[Sergey K.]

Hi Sergey, your previous question prompted me to think about buckles. I have had 2 M38 that had brass friction buckles. One was a DD, so I am guessing that the earliest straps used brass. Is that your view ?

Yes, I think they are early and were changed to steel because of soft brass which makes friction buckle not so strong especially on the places where gates holds and easily can be broken..also steel buckle is more cheaper in production.
I have brass buckles assembled with brass filigree and steel prim snaps . Many ground dug helmets from early war 41/42 already have steel buckles while only small numbers with brass.

[SMP]

Yes, I think they are early and were changed to steel because of soft brass which makes friction buckle not so strong especially on the places where gates holds and easily can be broken..also steel buckle is more cheaper in production.
I have brass buckles assembled with brass filigree and steel prim snaps . Many ground dug helmets from early war 41/42 already have steel buckles while only small numbers with brass.

Thanks,


Were they bare brass, or did some of them have a silver wash ?