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    Ordonnanz Offizier or Adjudant soldbuch question??

    Hello gentlemen,

    I have been looking around for information about the soldbuch entries for ordonnanz-offiziers and adjudants , but couldn't find it anywhere...

    I actually wondered what an ordonnanz offizier or an adjudant soldbuch looks like?

    Does anyone have a soldbuch he can show me? Or do you have any information about where they wrote in their soldbuch they were actually an ordonnanz offz. or adjudant? Was it written on page 1 as a rank or how did that happen? Or did they just change their unit when they moved to the "staff"?

    It's actually quite unclear for me ...

    Thank you in advance for your help!!

    Kindest regards,

    vonleonhausen
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    Occasionally you might get their position written on page 1 of the Soldbuch but the majority of the time time you do not.
    It may appear in the Wehrpaß, but again not always as it was dependent on the clerk filling it in.....

    /Ian
    Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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      #3
      Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
      Occasionally you might get their position written on page 1 of the Soldbuch but the majority of the time time you do not.
      It may appear in the Wehrpaß, but again not always as it was dependent on the clerk filling it in.....

      /Ian
      Hi Ian,

      Thanks for your fast reply!

      So, if it wasn't filled in on the first page of the soldbuch (or in the wehrpaß) there was actually no way to know if they were an Ordonnanz-Offz. or Adjudant?

      What about page 3 of the solbuch? Was it written on that page they were moved to the staff? If it was written, what was the "Art der Anderung" then? Ernennung? Beforderung?

      BTW (this might be a dumb question) how dit they wrote Staff if the soldier belonged to the Staff? Stab? And then followed by the unit? For exemple : "Stab AA. 35."?

      I know it's a lot of questions but I really want to know how that worked.

      Thanks in advance!

      Best wishes,

      vonleonhausen

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        #4
        Page 3 of the Soldbuch, was for changes to page 1 and 2 only. However, occasionally one finds corrections for other pages listed.
        Jeff

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          #5
          Originally posted by JUNGCO View Post
          Page 3 of the Soldbuch, was for changes to page 1 and 2 only. However, occasionally one finds corrections for other pages listed.
          Jeff
          Hi JUNGCO,

          Thanks for your answer!

          Yes, I know that it was for changes on the first two pages, but when they were replaced to another company or to the stab, where did they wrote that in the soldbuch? And how?

          Thank you in advance!

          Best wishes,

          vonleonhausen

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            #6
            in soldbuch just say Stab, mainly at least no word pointing Adjutant, it must need extra documents support your proof.
            i have a soldbuch the owner is Adjutant, but no record in his soldbuch, how i know his position? because more documents say. as the soldbuch is coming from a grouping.
            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=825344

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              #7
              Originally posted by PanzerElite View Post
              in soldbuch just say Stab, mainly at least no word pointing Adjutant, it must need extra documents support your proof.
              i have a soldbuch the owner is Adjutant, but no record in his soldbuch, how i know his position? because more documents say. as the soldbuch is coming from a grouping.
              Hi PanzerElite,

              Thanks you for your answer and for the information!

              What kind of documents do I need to support it then? What kind of documents do you have?

              Can you post some pictures?

              Thank you in advance.

              Kindest regards,

              vonleonhausen

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                #8
                sorry. because so many other documents, so i didnt scan all.
                1, i have 6 regiment organization documents showing him from batallion Adjutant to N.Z. offizier, tjen there is a kriegstagsbuch showing him taking order to change from regiment Adjutant promoted to Brigade Adjutant, his old position will be taken by another offizier, tje document date is end of 1941, and i think he was promoted to Hptm. on Jan.1 1942. soon after he got Brigade Adjutant, sorry all promotion documents are there but no Hptm. promotion document.

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                  #9
                  Here you have a link to an artillery officer in my collection who was Abteilung and Regiment Adjudant, no entries for this neither on 1 or 3 page, but an extra page at the end of the Soldbuch with his career details his appointments as such.

                  Cheers

                  Angel

                  http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=351830
                  Looking for DKiG Heer winner Soldbuch who also won the TDB and/or CCC, specially in Silver.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PanzerElite View Post
                    sorry. because so many other documents, so i didnt scan all.
                    1, i have 6 regiment organization documents showing him from batallion Adjutant to N.Z. offizier, tjen there is a kriegstagsbuch showing him taking order to change from regiment Adjutant promoted to Brigade Adjutant, his old position will be taken by another offizier, tje document date is end of 1941, and i think he was promoted to Hptm. on Jan.1 1942. soon after he got Brigade Adjutant, sorry all promotion documents are there but no Hptm. promotion document.
                    Hi PanzerElite,

                    Thank you for all the information!

                    Kindest regards,

                    vonleonhausen

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                      #11
                      the career paper with soldbuch from my collection.
                      no ntry in soldbuch showing his position, only stabs,
                      and many batallion/regiment SS offiecer signatures.
                      Attached Files

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Angel Farré View Post
                        Here you have a link to an artillery officer in my collection who was Abteilung and Regiment Adjudant, no entries for this neither on 1 or 3 page, but an extra page at the end of the Soldbuch with his career details his appointments as such.

                        Cheers

                        Angel

                        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=351830
                        Hi Angel,

                        Thanks for your answer!

                        Waouw! That's a great aquisition you got there! I will study it in detail!

                        Kindest regards,

                        vonleonhausen

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by PanzerElite View Post
                          the career paper with soldbuch from my collection.
                          no ntry in soldbuch showing his position, only stabs,
                          and many batallion/regiment SS offiecer signatures.
                          Great picture and details, thanks!

                          vonleonhausen

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                            #14
                            And another question, what was the waffenfarbe (arms colour) of a Stab member?

                            Was it just the colour of the type of unit they were part of? For exemple an adjudant (oberleutnant) in an Aufklärungs-Abteilung wore golden yellow waffenfarbe?

                            Or was it the white waffenfarbe like divisional HQ? For exemple an adjudant (oberleutnant) in an Aufklärungs-Abteilung wore white waffenfarbe to make a difference from "fighting units"?

                            Thank you in advance for your help!

                            Kindest regards,

                            vonleonhausen

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by vonleonhausen View Post
                              And another question, what was the waffenfarbe (arms colour) of a Stab member?

                              Was it just the colour of the type of unit they were part of?

                              vonleonhausen
                              You've answered your question
                              ... an adjudant (oberleutnant) in an Aufklärungs-Abteilung wore golden yellow waffenfarbe.

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