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    KL Wehrpass

    Hello I would like any opinions on this wehrpass. I got it from a longtime collector who is selling off most of his items. I know it is a minefield of a subject. Some will like it some will find problems.

    Appreciate any civilized comments, thanks in advance.
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            From what I can see from the scans, that one looks good to me.

            yours friendly

            Eric-Jan

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              #7
              I agree with my friend above,I dont see red flags!

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                #8
                That is nice to see! Does anyone know what the last 2 units are? Are they SS 32 Div?
                Last edited by Lee Luke; 04-30-2009, 07:30 AM.

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                  On the negative. The Wehrpass was never officially issued. Notice page one. Also, the photo was never overstamped. Even when issued by field units of the SS (normally these would be Volkdeutsch, as the military and police would have no way of traking them), there still should be the issue stamps on page one and over the photo on page two.
                  Jeff

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                    Originally posted by JUNGCO View Post
                    On the negative. The Wehrpass was never officially issued. Notice page one. Also, the photo was never overstamped. Even when issued by field units of the SS (normally these would be Volkdeutsch, as the military and police would have no way of traking them), there still should be the issue stamps on page one and over the photo on page two.
                    Jeff
                    I agree with Jeff 100% on this one. The first thing I noticed last night when studying this WP was the lack of any circular unit stamps, and the fact that it appears to never have been "officially" issued.

                    I also have a problem with the photo - particularly the signature on the photo and the signature under it. IMHO, they differ in ways that have me questioning whether or not they were done by the same hand. Also, the lack of any circular stamps on the photo sends up flags.

                    The entries on the units page look convincing enough, and I cannot find any immediate red flags with them, but I'd need to do a closer comparison with known originals before forming a opinion one way or the other.

                    In the end, this is not a Wehrpass I'd want to have in my collection - I'd much rather hold out for a unquestionably original example. I don't think there's anything unique or special about this one where I'd be willing to take a risk on it.

                    Are there any other entries in it?

                    EDIT: It's totally possible that this is a completely legit WP, but without seeing it in person and doing a hands-on inspection, I'd pass because of the liabilities mentioned above. I have seen a few 100% original Wehrpässe with photos that did not have any stamps over the photo, so I wouldn't dismiss this one simply because of the lack of any stamps. Still, I do not like the signatures and the fact that it is filled out yet does not appear to have been "officially" issued send up red flags from where I stand.

                    I'm just simply offering my opinion on what I can see from these pictures. In the end, it comes down to the buyer... If you feel good about it, and you are happy with it, then that's what really matters. Just remember that if you do ever try to sell it, these "liabilities" will come back to revisit you.




                    Rob
                    Last edited by Rob Johnson; 04-30-2009, 10:17 AM.

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                      Originally posted by Lee Luke View Post
                      That is nice to see! Does anyone know what the last 2 units are? Are they SS 32 Div?
                      Hello

                      Ist is Kampfmarschverband "Böhmen" and the last is 10./ SS Pz Gren Bataillon "???"


                      Best regards, Fronti

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                        #12
                        Agree with other comments regarding the anomalies. However, the slight water damage to this WP leads me to believe it may be another from the "Halbe" box find. The entries would certainly suggest this.

                        G

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                          Rob,

                          Look at this picture,

                          This means that the ink was fresh when the picture was applied or that there was some hunidity that ruined the picture.That makes me think that the picture belongs to the book,what do you think?

                          Daniele
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                            Originally posted by Daniele C View Post
                            Rob,

                            Look at this picture,

                            This means that the ink was fresh when the picture was applied or that there was some hunidity that ruined the picture.That makes me think that the picture belongs to the book,what do you think?

                            Daniele

                            Actually, if the photo is original to the book, it would more than likely mean that the WP got damp somewhere along the line, causing the ink to bleed into the photo. The soft edges and type of bleeding you see is more consistent with moisture damage than the ink on the opposite page being still wet when the pages were closed.

                            Also notice that the photo - as it sits now - does not line up with the writing.

                            And as for what I think... I think it would be just as easy for someone with a wet sponge to recreate this effect. NOT saying this is the case with this one... just taking a objective view on this one because of the anomalies.


                            Rob
                            Last edited by Rob Johnson; 04-30-2009, 10:49 AM.

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                              Originally posted by Lee Luke View Post
                              That is nice to see! Does anyone know what the last 2 units are? Are they SS 32 Div?

                              Lee,

                              10th SS-Pz.Gren.Btl "Teuteberg" was part of SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt "Schill". This was eventually redesignated SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 86 / 32. SS-Frw-Pz.Gren.Div “30 Januar”.

                              Rob, I think the photo may line up with the writing. There is evidence of creasing and folding and a rip which has now been straightened out, but before it was straightened and flattened out it is possible that it was lined up.

                              I still think this is a contender from the "30 Januar" Halbe find. Just an opinion.
                              Last edited by SiPo; 05-01-2009, 03:26 AM.

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