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    #1

    Cant make out this inscriptions (with photos)

    Hi Guys!

    I have been looking on this inscriptions that belongs to a Grenadier who was rolled in late 1943! What the *¤# is the word on the first two photos, and on the third what is the "model" of weapon and bayonet, seems to be the same on both???
    <center><img src=http://www.traubensaft.org/skalslettes11.JPG></center>
    <p><center><img src=http://www.traubensaft.org/skalslettes10.JPG></center>
    <p><center><img src=http://www.traubensaft.org/skalslettes12.jpg></center>

    Regards

    Carl
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    #2
    strange writing

    Hello,


    The word = Gasraümprobe or translated : trying your Gas Mask in a closed Bunker with real Gas !!


    Cordial greetings,
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      #3
      So He did that twice! Deffently to much time to spend around the barracks

      Anyone knows what the inscription on the rifle and bayonet is?

      Regards

      Carl

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        #4
        To be more precise Gasraümprobe means gas chamber test.

        Are you asking what gestr on 26.5.1945 is? If so this is short for gestreichen or cancelled.

        /Ian
        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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          #5
          Gestr was what I was wondering about, thanks!
          If I understand it correct He delivered the items back 26.5.45 and got it removed from the soldbuch by the two new inscriptions (Gestr) ?

          Regards

          Carl

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            #6
            Yes, on 26.5.1945 he handed in his rifle and bayonet.
            Quite some time after the war ended! No doubt a soldier in Norway/Finland area?

            /Ian
            Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

            Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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              #7
              Since Im a newbie on the Soldbuch aera Im not sure actually where His last station where! If someone knows where his Btl. was in 1945 I presume that would be where he was hold as POW, Im not sure that he was in POW camp but I have a feeling he has. Here are some photos of the pages that might give a answer on that : <center><img src=http://www.traubensaft.org/skalslettes4.jpg></center><p>The The Stamp says : Gren Rgt.518 1.Btl on the dates: 14.6.45 and 18.8.45 Notice that the swastika is removed on the two last stampings<p><center><img src=http://www.traubensaft.org/skalslettes8.jpg></center>

              Regards

              Carl

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                #8
                Order Nr. 53 is typical of those troops fighting/serving in Norway....I will check the unit and get back to you.....
                Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                  #9
                  Grenadier Regiment 518 was part of 295 Infanterie Division which served in Norway (H.Q. in Molde) from September 1943.

                  /Ian
                  Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                  Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                    #10
                    Carl
                    You notice the glued in pay notes show he was in the reservation (no POW camps in Norway) at 'Opdal' i guess they mean Oppdal as that was in the area of operations of the 295 Inf.Div.
                    Most of the Soldbucher from Norway i have show personal weapons being handed in around this time, the latest i have being a KM soldier in Tromsø who handed his mauser in on 8.6.45.


                    mvh

                    Simon
                    Collecting German award documents, other paperwork and photos relating to Norway and Finland.

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                      #11
                      Simon and Ian!

                      Many thanks for the information!

                      My last questions, the issue that he was in reservation is that based on the glued pages or inscriptions made on the glued pages? And does reservation have the same value as Grini "fangeleir" had after the war with German soldiers? Cuase I tought that Grini "fangeleir" was a POW after the war for the Germans??

                      Regards

                      Carl

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                        #12
                        Carl
                        I'm not entirely sure on all the political why's and how's about the status of German personnel after the surrender but i do know that all German unit's were gathered in to 'Reservations' not POW camps. That is the term used by the allies and Germans. I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that the Germans still had a great deal of independence in Norway post-May '45. They still controlled and administered themselves, not least because there were so few allied troops in Norway to do it. Some Germans were of course arrested and sent to prisons and prison camps but weren't these in general those who where going to be prosecuted for war crimes?

                        I know that on the continent the Germans had their status of POW changed to (i think) disarmed former enemy personnel or something.



                        Simon
                        Collecting German award documents, other paperwork and photos relating to Norway and Finland.

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