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    #16
    Looks like the clerk died protecting his file box! The WP is splattered with either jam or blood. Let's hope jam!
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      #17
      Hello Robert,

      I'am very sure of my theorie that when the division was transfered from Easternfront to the West, that he was left behind in a reserve unit to recuperate from his wound sustained on the Easternfront.
      What happend with him after he was declared fit to serve, I don't know.
      But it is a nice ss panzer division wp from a ss officer.
      Most likely he recieved more awards then just the wounded bagde in black also.
      But the wp was war booty so w'll most likely never know.

      Cheers,
      Peter
      Last edited by peter u; 05-23-2007, 12:29 PM.

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        #18
        Peter, I'm sure you're right. He was likely recuperating - it would have just been too close. Thanks for the comments all around - it is so helpful having European collecting associates! s/f Robert

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          #19
          From reports of service I have the following:

          Otto Morgenstern, born 5.12.1921 in Görkau.

          January 1945 as a SS Obersturmführer with SS Panzer Grenadier Schule.
          April 1945 killed whilst serving with SS Panzer Aufklärungs Abteilung 10 "Frundsberg".

          He is not however listed on the German War Graves site.

          /Ian
          Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

          Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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            #20
            Thanks for posting it Robert, certainly now with the other Frundsberg division wp on debat here.
            So it seems that the Frundsberg division had time to fill in wp's between their operations in the East and their transfer to the Normandy invasionfront

            Peter

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              #21
              Thanks Ian,

              So he was probabily not combat-actif anymore until he joined his old unit again in April 1945.

              Peter

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                #22
                Yes, I saw the other Frundsberg WP,and hoped this might help in that respect. Ian, thank you so much for letting me know what happened to him. That means there's a replacement WP out there somewhere on the same man!

                s/f Robertv

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                  #23
                  Their is a "zweitschrift" around that is a fact!

                  P

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by RobertE View Post
                    That means there's a replacement WP out there somewhere on the same man!

                    s/f Robertv
                    I very much doubt it, I would imagine that this was never updated....this was common for that time of the war.....however with that said, some clerks made sure everything was in order right until the end of the war!!!

                    But it would be difficult to prove one way or another now...unless someone has the "Zweitschrift"!!!!

                    /Ian
                    Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                      I very much doubt it, I would imagine that this was never updated....this was common for that time of the war.....however with that said, some clerks made sure everything was in order right until the end of the war!!!

                      But it would be difficult to prove one way or another now...unless someone has the "Zweitschrift"!!!!

                      /Ian
                      I would definately thought there would be - almost two years without a Wehrpass for an officer (or any soldier) seems excessive. Still - guess we won't now in this lifetime.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by RobertE View Post
                        I would definately thought there would be - almost two years without a Wehrpass for an officer (or any soldier) seems excessive. Still - guess we won't now in this lifetime.
                        June 1944 to May 1945 doesn't add to almost 2 years in my book...

                        Anyway, when leaving his unit, the Wehrpa******223; should have been sent to his Ersatz Bataillon/Abteilung. As according to page 12 he is not officially listed as leaving SS Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 10 until 22.6.1944, chances are it was never sent before that date......however, there also is no indication that he was sent to an Ersatz Bataillon or Reserve Lazarett because of any wound!

                        The time the Ersatz Bataillon received it and sent it to his next unit, it is not suprising that it was never filled in....I have many examples of that in my collection.

                        But you can not rule out there is not a replacement.....just bear in mind what was happening at the time.

                        /Ian
                        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                          #27
                          Sage words and good math, Ian, thanks.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                            From reports of service I have the following:

                            Otto Morgenstern, born 5.12.1921 in Görkau.

                            January 1945 as a SS Obersturmführer with SS Panzer Grenadier Schule.
                            April 1945 killed whilst serving with SS Panzer Aufklärungs Abteilung 10 "Frundsberg".

                            He is not however listed on the German War Graves site.

                            /Ian
                            Could it be this one??

                            Nachname: Morgenstern
                            Vorname:
                            Dienstgrad:
                            Geburtsdatum:
                            Geburtsort:
                            Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 15.04.1945
                            Todes-/Vermisstenort: nicht verzeichnet



                            Morgenstern ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Spora-Nißma-Schulstraße (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) .
                            Endgrablage: auf diesem Friedhof

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