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Well, actually the cord looks most authentic of the whole item.
These were made of asbestos and were actually used with stainless steel tags. Also a metal tube cramped on the cord to connect both ends is correct for this type.
I also think that this tag might be ok. The fact is stamped letter by letter is very common for instance for Latvian SS dog tags, and I would say they contain far more characters than this one. However I never came across another like this one and the only HJ tags I know are SS-Pz.Gren.Ers.u.Ausb.Btl.12.
Regards
Al
p.s. I'm sure only about one thing - authentic or not - far overpriced
p.s.2. Oh and one more thing - SS-Polizei tag sold on the same website looks more than very suspicious to me.
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Originally posted by GaspareJust imagine..It took appromox. 30 stamp strikes to make just one side of this tag!
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Matt, yeah , the Pz looks the same..But they are a very generic font..Something that's probably still available today...
"158 stamps on the one disc"
Good lord! 158 strikes! Any you guys ever try and stamp a steel or zinc tag? I say try because the first few I did I ruined! Too deep, miss stamp, crooked, too light, etc. Wow its no wonder they lost the war,,instead of fighting they were too busy making up tags!
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BTW. To those of you guys collecting SB &WP - could you kindly check what tags were SS "HJ" boys wearing and give us some help please.
I belive that Pz.Gren.E&A Btl. 12 will be the most frequent indication, however I belive that some tags were also issued in the Div itself.
Regards + Thanx
Al
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Well,
I'm lost somewhere between 'yes' and 'no'
Generally I don't see much wrong things about it. However as with most of SS tags on the market one needs to be very carefull.
Good:
- cord (this type is rather rare or even very rare)
- Typoeface is ok and not very common with fakes
- The unit is spelled properly.
- Bloodgroup and number is stamped on reverse unlike most of the SS fakes
- nice rust under the cord (just try to get stainless tag rusty )
Bad:
- Combat unit tags for W-SS are extremly rare, most of the guys went through replacement units. However they are faked most commonly
- I never came across another HJ tag with combat unit indicated ( but for sure I didn't came across lots and lots of tags - so excuse me for my vanity ).
Regards
Al
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Originally posted by mr.dogtagHi,
I wouldn't go to far. This font is very typical for end of war. Lots of tags are stamped in this manner. Also square dots are pretty common. The letter t is different and I wouldnt really say these 2 tags were stamped with the same set of stamping tools.
Al
From the bottom text
From the top text
And my point was not that square dots are not a good thing, but identical lettering with identical square dots is getting a little dubious...
Unless, of course, you have discs you know are 100% authentic that have this exact same text Al or have reason to contest the idea that no two discs from very different units should never have identical lettering.
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Originally posted by Drapeau NoirIf it's really a fake I would say it's quite a strange thing...
usually the items from that website are ok, at least the most of them, and I use to trust Peter AT ALL regarding the SS stuff.
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