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**sanya13** · 01-27-2020, 03:25 PM

Hí Peter
I am always very happy to read his theories and in many cases we have agreed, and now too thank you your comment .
The ek2 mini with paper ,I bought on the " MFF - Militaria Found Forum " , but the pictures have to me, they when advertised, but unfortunately the link that was included when it was sold, the system was deleted the link

so unfortunately I can't attach this

Originally posted by Peter J. View Post

Hi Sanya,
I agree, not everything from the 3rd Reich has surfaced during the last 80 years (but nor has any Prinzengrösse 1939 EK1 to my knowledge), hence extra scrutiny needs to be exercised. I’ll start with the “halfsize).

My spontaneous reflection, what was the purpose of this product? It would hardly be worn by a military person in uniform, which leaves only for wear on civilian clothes. Unless you wanted to saw on a medal loop (which would make the suit look strange without the decoration), you had to press it through the fabric, thereby creating a substantial hole and ruin the suit. Ek’s per se is not my cup of the´ though, perhaps some enlightened collector can point me in a different direction.

I’ve previously inquired about the production technique of the dies for producing EK (or KC) frames. Were they engraved by hand or made in a reduction machine (as suggested by Douglas)? It’s really no use for me trying to elaborate any farther, but I’ll once I get this confirmed one way or the other.
The stickpin mini gives more food for thoughts and I’ll try to break it down. Oliver summoned his concerns pretty well, but the matter of size needs to be commented. The official size for minis of orders and decorations in general was 9mm and 16mm once the regulations kicked in. I’ve seen them ranging from 7-18mm (even some obscure (IMHO) 19mm versions. With that said, other sizes than 9 or 16mm exist in contemporary sales lists. Sanya, are all three stickpin versions illustrated here the 12mm version? It’s difficult to keep track of the three versions you’ve posted, but as I understand it it’s one enameled with Preissler, one unmarked with enamel and one unmarked with no enamel, correct? Can you please repost them separately with size and obverse+reverse. To be continued…

The alleged producer Preissler is also worth looking into. He doesn’t have a L-number or PK-number, nor is he listed as a producer of insignia (RZM M1/…). He’s shown as a producer of day badges though (RZM M9/118), but that’s a far cry from the previously mentioned categories.

I'm sorry for my ignorance, can you please give me the full name of the German forum you referred to

Cheers
Peter

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**Peter J.** · 01-27-2020, 03:30 PM

Finally! Thanks Dietrich

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cheers
Peter

**tiu*kwu** · 01-27-2020, 03:39 PM

Hi Sanya,

that is a nice EK miniature collection, but I have also analyzed a few hundred EK miniatures during the last years and so I know too that you always make new discoveries.

On the other hand, I have also found that there are many imitation miniatures in circulation. After many years of intensive study, one develop a feeling for when something is wrong. And that is the case here. So I'm afraid of that if I had the miniatures in my hand, I wouldn't get any other result.

I stick to my opinion, both EK miniatures are not authentic. At best, the supposed EK1 could be a one-off, an experiment.

Oliver

**sanya13** · 01-27-2020, 05:03 PM

Hí Oliver
""""" the supposed : EK1 could be a one-off, an experiment.""""
yes ,I can agree with that in my opinion as I have never seen such a piece before.

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