Oakleaves

[Wartime Collectables]

These came in a very nice collection of US medals some years ago and I honestly never paid attention to them assuming they were fake. Moving and happened across them. Still likely are bogus.... but thought I'd post just in case they are 57'r or ??? Thanks for the time!
Andrew
PS And I have a new camera on order!

[Franco]

1980,s S&L Oaks.Easy to tell they are the 57 version,look either side of the two top
lobes,the surplus metal has not been cut out.

[Wartime Collectables]

INTERESTING! Thanks! These came from a different 'horde', unmarked and seem lower quality than the S&L's. 'cut out' it appears?

[Tom B]

I agree, 57's. Post on the 57 site below and get more expert opinions. Tom

[Wartime Collectables]

I agree, 57's. Post on the 57 site below and get more expert opinions. Tom

Thanks!

[Tony T-S]

The excess between the leaves means a later, but not late set of S&L postwar oaks. The OLS appear to be earlier Souvals. Would need better photos of that set to tell for sure.

[Tom B]

The excess between the leaves means a later, but not late set of S&L postwar oaks. The OLS appear to be earlier Souvals. Would need better photos of that set to tell for sure.

I agree. Tom

[Miro O]

OLS are 1957 S&L as well, maybe pics are not good, but you can still see S&L mark "O" struck at the reverse.

[Tony T-S]

That O is not the standard S&L. This is why we need better photos because the OLS really do look like early cut out Souval, with the thinner central vein running up the front leaf. Wartime (21), oaks and postwar S&L oaks have a thicker vein.

[speedytop]

Hi,

thought I'd post just in case they are 57'r or ???

No, they are not 57'r.

Easy to tell they are the 57 version

No, they are not 57 version

I agree, 57's

No, they are not 57's

OLS are 1957 S&L as well

No, they are not 1957 S&L.

These pieces are post war reproductions/copies, but not 57er.

57er are Third Reich decorations, where the design had to be changed. Here was nothing to change, therefore no 57er.

Uwe

[Wartime Collectables]

Well, this has been the most confusing group of posts I've ever done, right down to member DougE who messaged me an offer to buy then disappeared into his bunker?!

[Leroy]

To me, these are Souval OLS (see below). Angles, lighting and sharpness are key in photographs, but there are still definitive features (positioning of dots on crossguard, width of hilts, depth of bottom edge of oakleaf, surface appearance of reverse, etc.), which separate these from S&L.

[Tony T-S]

Yes agreed.

[Tom B]

I agree. Tom

[Carsten135]

heya

yes oakleaves are pretty beautiful, but as uwe say exactly precisely, they have never been or can be 57 models because they dont fall under the jurisdiction on the ordensgesetz 1957 and a few other non-swastika badges the same, like the reiterbadges, kraftfahrer abceichens etc. that goes for all " partei politiches bewegungs" like the SS, Hj, BDM etc, they where banned shortly after the war and therefore there medals too.

So bye LAW it cannot be a 57 model, but a BRD accessories award to the 57 RK or model nr. 36 ?? from the originals if prefered. well nobody say german history is easy



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