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    #16
    Originally posted by Dansson View Post



    Where did this hoard come from?

    It's been a good discussion Giel. I really enjoy these kind of discussions where thoughts and ideas are shared

    Someone once mentioned to me that 75 could be Franke & Co (or something that way), I asked on what this thought was based on but never really got an answer to it. Perhaps someone can say where this thought came from or why it perhaps might be candidate for 75?

    Thought this question would be good to throw in here as it can take us closer to the answer or lead us to another clue...

    I do have a list of pre-LDO Iron Cross manufacturers with many names I am not familiar as known Iron Cross manufacturers (from packets, markings or otherwise known). The manufacturer 75 is possibly one name among them... but there are 17 of these who didn't make it to either the LDO or PKZ and many later makers missing (Franke is at least not one of them...).

    More questions, I know 75 made EK2 and KVK, does anyone know any other awards they made?


    Some extra information, of all 140 PKZ makers,
    17, 38, 54, 75, 94, 96, 97, 115, 119, 121, 133 and 136 are still unknown.

    Best regards,
    Daniel
    Hi Daniel

    Like always I can only speak for the Ostmedaille.

    There is a OM75.
    Its very rare. In fact its one of two I am still missing.

    But what I can tell you is this, there a different "genes" of Ostmedaillen, the OM75 is IMO in the same "gene" as the OM65, OM66 and O138 for example, all based in Oberstein (Oberstein "gene").

    The OM66 and OM138 are almost identical, OM65 is a little different but still same "gene". But the OM138 and OM75 are a perfect match (based on what I can see from the photos I have of the OM75).
    Hope this isnt to confusing.

    So (just) based on the Ostmedaille I would think the maker75 was based in Oberstein and used OM dyes from Julius Maurer, or the other way around
    But then again like you said the EK2 are totally different.. so "the plot thickens but the story never ends"

    Kind regards from Iceland
    Sindri
    Last edited by Sveimhugi; 09-05-2017, 03:16 PM.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Sveimhugi View Post
      Hi Daniel

      Like always I can only speak for the Ostmedaille.

      There is a OM75.
      Its very rare. In fact its one of two I am still missing.

      But what I can tell you is this, there a different "genes" of Ostmedaillen, the OM75 is IMO in the same "gene" as the OM65, OM66 and O138 for example, all based in Oberstein (Oberstein "gene").

      The OM66 and OM138 are almost identical, OM65 is a little different but still same "gene". But the OM138 and OM75 are a perfect match (based on what I can see from the photos I have of the OM75).
      Hope this isnt to confusing.

      So (just) based on the Ostmedaille I would think the maker75 was based in Oberstein and used OM dyes from Julius Maurer, or the other way around
      But then again like you said the EK2 are totally different.. so "the plot thickens but the story never ends"

      Kind regards from Iceland
      Sindri
      Ahh, this is really good information. A clear connection between Maurer and 75 proven with clear evidence in metal dies. Co-operation at best, my guess of them being Obersteiner's wasn't that bad obviously based on why they used Maurer packets

      Now we know (or more clearly, have good reason to believe) maker 75 is from Oberstein, which is really good, as we now know where to look for more clues or hints.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Dansson View Post
        You got a nice set there. It is known from other makers to use other makers bags or even some makers only did bags and provided them to manufacturers. Example, Carl Forster & Graf made bags for the EK2 and provided them to numerous makers, but didn't make EK themselves.

        I have never taken really seriously unknown crosses ID:ied to maker only by the packets they are in, here is a good example why.
        Agree 100% to your quote .

        After 5 or 6 were found in the same packet - unfortunately this thinking was used to prove Frank & Reif made all the Übergrosse EKs .

        Douglas

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          #19
          Originally posted by Dansson View Post
          Ahh, this is really good information. A clear connection between Maurer and 75 proven with clear evidence in metal dies. Co-operation at best, my guess of them being Obersteiner's wasn't that bad obviously based on why they used Maurer packets

          Now we know (or more clearly, have good reason to believe) maker 75 is from Oberstein, which is really good, as we now know where to look for more clues or hints.
          Yes it seems like that
          Although there are other examples of Ostmedaillen producers using same "gene" dyes but were not really in each others neighborhoods But those examples are much much fewer, so Oberstein is more than likely

          There is always something hehe

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