I have seen bars bearing the Sedlatzek bevo-woven name and Berlin address, but have no idea how you can tell when they were made if the stock used was all leftover material.
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It could be that perhaps to satisfy the collectors market that Sedlatzek would use the former Berlin address. If the Spangen were made for the German veterans market, the new Kochel address would more likely be used as an advertisement/contact info.Originally posted by Leroy View PostComment
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Just for a novelty, a photo of the founder, Friedrich Sedlatzek which is perhaps the reason of its choice of the street address in Berlin: Source: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item...der-weltkriegeComment
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An even earlier label:
Does anyone have a bar verified to have been purchased postwar from Sedlatzek?Comment
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This is interesting as the Ordenspange has the 1870-6 Franco-Prussian war with a post-WW2 Sedlatzek label on the reverse. Source: @Azyemon http://gmic.co.uk/topic/53398-tailor...t-here/?page=8Originally posted by Leroy View PostComment
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Very interesting, indeed. Being totally clueless in the Imperial field, I have to ask: Are the components (ribbons, medals, clasps, etc.) all original?Comment
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I hope the Imperial guys could chime in. I have no clue either.Originally posted by Leroy View PostComment
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The LDA1 and KDM would pass muster as period zweitstücke on an otherwise believable bar. The ZM is possibly an award piece. I believe the Baden and Nassau pieces are ok as well but they are a bit out of my area of knowledge.
The ribbons look too new to ever be considered original 1895 vintage but perhaps with the right ageing they too would pass. It depends on the weave, which of course is too hard to see from these photos.
This bar could very well have been a family re-mount for display (if the combination is possible). Of course it's also possible that these zweitstücke were made after the war. This is one reason original award-type decorations are so highly prized by Imperial collectors; you don't quite know what you're getting with a zweitstück.Best regards,
Streptile
Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)Comment
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Thanks, Trevor!
Are the zweitstücke pre-1945, at least, or is it impossible to tell?Comment
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I don't think anyone looking at these in the Imperial section would suspect they were post WWII, but I think it's possible. As distinct from orders (which have more complicated designs and often show a progression of materials from gold through bronze gilt), it's quite difficult to say just when zweitstücke of Imperial medals or lesser decorations were made because the potential time frame is so huge.Originally posted by Leroy View PostBest regards,
Streptile
Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)Comment
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I am surprised that no one has found or reported the blatant flaw of the beading of the 3 o'clock arm on Sedlatzek crosses that are not found on Souval crosses.
The top line of the thin edge which sits on the outmost edge, just below the beading, rounds out just before it ends where it meets the vertical line/edge. No other KC frame has this flaw (if you can understand what I'm trying to say).
These are pictures of a Sedlatzek I just restored & sold to a member here.Comment
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Chuck - Are you talking about this?Comment
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Hi VonStubben, I have reported the typical dent at the lower 3 o'clock arm beading but did not notice the quite blatant flaw you mentioned now and which I just confirmed is noticeable on both my Sedlatzek crosses...
Originally posted by vonStubben View PostLast edited by Viriathus; 05-01-2016, 10:06 PM.Comment
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Top edge, not bottom.Originally posted by Leroy View Post
I don't have a PC at the moment so I can't mark the photo. The ridge line runs straight & just before it reaches the vertical portion.....it begins rounding off just before it touches the vertical ridge line.Last edited by vonStubben; 05-01-2016, 11:14 PM.Comment
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Hell Guys,
I bought the above mentioned cross because I find the story behind them very interesting.
Having one in hand I would like to share a few thoughts:
The soldering on the frame is exceptionally well done, the quality is very high. I was thinking about the flaws on the cross itself which are not vissible on the Souval postwar version.
I believe the theory that Souval bought the dies or the parts from another company, they produced the crosses we know today as "Sedladzek" in the pre LDO days, but they never got a official contract to produce them.
The interesting thing for me is that alot of flaws dont appear on the postwar crosses from Souval, hinting that they might have repaired the die postwar.
What happend to the official R.Souval company documents ? I have seen somewhere on this forum that all there dies where sold, but I dont know what happend to there documents ?
However you put it, the crosses are good quality and have a interesting story to them !
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