Sedlatzek RKs?

[tystgaard]

Nice

Nice. Also the fine orange type, great cross and ribbon was reunited:-)

Same one (and what was crazy was that I met a person later who had the original ribbon from that cross, which was not on it in the sale - small world).

[kraut72]

If I was gonna spend any big bucks it sure would be only on the "known" pre 45 RK's !!!!

No doubt,but the non-risk buys arent move forward the research.

[Ludwig]

Here are two RKT wearing what looks like some kind of "dippers", but IMO the first is wearing a K&Q and the second a Juncker. Light and shadows can fool you!

[Ludwig]

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[ram1412]

Another Sedlatzek-KC with flaw line on the 6 o`clock arm.

[chrisje110]

I would like to see a side by side of a early Souval and a Sedlatzek to see if there is a 6o clock on the Souvals to..

[Leroy]

Ludwig - On the first photo, the ring opening is large enough for the loop to pass through ("both" loops) completely, so I don't think (based on both that point and on the side-by-side I posted earlier of a K&Q and "Sedlatzek) that it's a K&Q. On the second, it may be a Juncker, but I've never seen one where the ring gives any sign of intruding into the frame. But who knows, really. Light and shadow.....

ram1412 - I went back and looked again at my Souvals just now and (even though there does appear to be some small flaw on the lower 6 o'clock arm) the Souvals do NOT have the same flaw as on the "Sedlatzek". The small flaw on the Souvals is much lower on the beading than the flaw on the "Sedlatzek".

[FrankS]

Here are two RKT wearing what looks like some kind of "dippers", but IMO the first is wearing a K&Q and the second a Juncker. Light and shadows can fool you!

First photo definitely a K&Q.

Second photo doesn't look like Junckers. Looks indeed like a dipping ring.

Problem with these studio portrait photos is, you don't know when they were taken. Some Knights Cross holders had photos taken in uniform and with medals after the war. When the original medals were lost during or after the war they bought replacements, some bought Souval RKs like the owner of the company mentioned. So without knowing the date of the photos they are no real proof.

Is there at least one known half way believable grouping with a so called "Sedlatzek" Knights Cross???

Has anyone ever asked Pieter Verbruggen what he thinks about the so called "Sedlatzek" Knights cross? If there would be a slight chance for them being wartime originals Verbruggen would have at least one in his collection.

[Leroy]

Again, unfortunately, just confusing photos. I'm not aware of any groupings.

[Kecon]

My opinions are:

Photo #1 : Dipping ring

Photo #2 : Dipping ring

You'd have to be blind not to see that.

Ken
Contributing association member almost sixteen years straight.

Get it.

[Ludwig]

My opinions are:

Photo #1 : Dipping ring

Photo #2 : Dipping ring

You'd have to be blind not to see that.

Ken
Contributing association member almost sixteen years straight.

Get it.

Guess I´m blind then. So there were different kind of dipping-ring-crosses? Because the two crosses are not the same

[Kecon]

Guess I´m blind then. So there were different kind of dipping-ring-crosses? Because the two crosses are not the same

A clear possibility. Who knows what was made 1939 to 1941? And by who?

[Leroy]

A fellow poster looking at this shared a theory : Most of these were stored, unapproved and unsold, by Souval and still leftover at the end of the war (which is why so many seen have some rust damage) and that is why they emerged after May, 1945. This might make some sense, as it is already known that, after the war, Souval sold original leftover pieces with slight damage from storage for less than it sold newly restruck pieces (Bob Hritz can confirm this and has written that before here). Souval also "refurbished" some original badges with finish lost to storage ('NormF' in the KM section has mentioned this).

In the meantime, I asked my friend Pieter Verbruggen about these and here is what he said:

"This type of cross has always been a postwar product to me. If it is Souval I do not know, but for me certainly NOT period .... As the rounder earlier accepted."

[chrisje110]

Very plausible story, I have seen many Souval drivers abzeichen with rust damage, so the storage things makes sence to me. Especially because of the rust damages on so much if the Sedlatzek Knights Crosses.

[tony james]

When or what year did souval start making post war knights crosses ?i never gave the 6:00 arm die flaw on the selatzek any thought till now .the souval die flaw is on the same arm but different and weaker .pehaps a rough time line might be established between the sedlatzek and souval crosses somewhat like the S&L crosses. .