German cross mm 134 opinions please

[Leroy]

This is excellent confirmation.

[Nicola.M]

Very interesting cross !!

The wreath is original for sure, but guys what do you Think about this rivets ?
Are textbook ? Is possible that this wreath was a Zimmermann in silver and it has been remounted on a 134 ?

Many Thanks

Nicola

[Dietrich Maerz]

Is possible that this wreath was a Zimmermann in silver and it has been remounted on a 134 ?

Absolutely not!

[Tony T-S]

This is why I love this site. History being uncovered as we go along. Congrats on a very rare piece by the looks.

[Ludwig]

When I wrote the DK book in 2009 I never heard of any Klein Silver DK nor had I seen one. After the publication of the book, nobody up untill now informed me of something different. My reasoning was that Klein as a late supplier did not get a contract because the award numbers of the Silver version were so low.
The happier I am now that I had the chance to look at Gewitter's cross and it is indeed a perfectly genuine Klein German Cross in Silver.

Thanks again for sending it to me!

And that´s one of the reasons you should update your excellent books, Kamerad!
Speaking for myself, the Knight´s Cross book first! Guess you have got much more information during the years, that have passed since it was published?!
Pleeeeeease!

[Dietrich Maerz]

It is true that I have a lot more material for the Knights Cross and also the German Cross, mainly in the area of the Präsidialkanzlei. Something to round out the picture.
I also have more "fringe" information regarding the L/12 oakleaves, the Zimmermann connection, other minor things.

Of course I have a lot more data and photos!

The main thing is this: there is really not much in substance to add to the RK book. The only "correction" would be to go from "maybe" for the 935-4 and 800-4 to "proven wartime." Everything else is still correct, apart from refinement.

Same with the DK book. Maybe soem variations in pins for the Deschler and more photos and data.

But I am seriously thinking about it. Not a new print, but rather a Vol. II with more info, data, groups, ....

Dietrich

[Ludwig]

Yes, a Volume 2 will be very gratefully received, IMO.
Guess that I perhaps have some stuff, that will be of interest for that.

[Gewitter]

Thank you Tony. And once again, much thanks to you Dietrich!

[mloppkit]

Thanks for all replies boys

Feels like a controversial subject

Best
Jorge

Controversial indeed.
Here are my two DKIS's, both identical in weight, both identical size, both with the LHS die flaw, both have identical rear pin and catch hardware, both with same date details on the wreaths. However -one backplate is marked 20 for Zimmerman, one backplate is marked 134 in incuse relief for Klein and has rivet and enamel differences.

[Ludwig]

And the swastikas look different.

[IVAN]

Hi,
of course first topic cross is a fake.
Thanks for good photos for the original dk crosses....

May I don't see very well but I don't see differnces in wreaths....usually change only rivets between 20 and 134....