Opinions on Oak Leaves with Diamonds

[hkusp40]

Folks, to make following this thread easier, would someone please post pictures of original A and B sets. Forgive me please, it has become difficult to fully follow without a convenient comparison to the originals. Thanks. -Ger

[chen]

Original Goldern Oakleave A and B:

[chen]

Original Diamond( 2nd pattern) A and B :
Note: for the A piece, the marking should be 950 PT instead of 900 PT. No idea why the photo shows 900 PT. Nevertheless, the photo is good enough to indicate what a genuine piece looks like.

[popskipa]

For comparison three images of a copy set bought on this forum.

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[popskipa]

Third image...it is interesting to compare with an original set

3.

[Leroy]

Compare finishing, stones attached with "brads" vs. stones glued in with no "brads", sword angles, surface smoothness, leaf angularity, etc., etc.. Both from same source. Every single one seen so far is different in real ways.

[Leroy]

The von Manteuffel set (top) from Dietrich's book, compared to the Balck set.

[Wim]

And here is a COA Klietmann wrote on one of these pieces in 1985. He (incorrectly) thought it was a "B" piece. (Also note that the example in Klietmann's COA has the "fatter" center vein. Others have "thinner" veins.)

Such COA's (or even other letters for that matter) from Klietmann were also faked however, so I have my doubts about the originality of the COA.

[Tom B]

I held the von Manteuffel set on a visit to his home in 1975. They were beautiful !

[Leroy]

Such COA's (or even other letters for that matter) from Klietmann were also faked however, so I have my doubts about the originality of the COA.

Who knows about the authenticity of the COA? (It's just a copy I had in my files.) When posted on another forum, a member from Europe there with 31 posts ("daggers63") said: "I've seen the expertise in the original and I know who is the owner of this expertise . I wonder how small the world really is. :-)". I do note that the address it was sent to (Ehringshausen) is only 93km from Hanau, home of Otto Klein (and the retired Klein employee). Was that retiree the source for that piece, too? I think that's very likely.

Bottom line: These pieces are the nicest I have seen publicly available so far and are, in that regard, the closest to the "real thing" for display for a collector who cannot afford 350K Euros for a presented piece. The others posted here are, IMHO, not even close.

Here's one attached for display to an original Juncker L/12.

[peterwyndavies]

Thanks again everyone for contributing to what is a fascinating thread.
Thanks,
Peter

[markus]

Here's Sepp Dietrich's B-type with a nice Juncker. Instant classic.

[markus]

Btw, only as a side-note:
None of these photos show the impact these (O. Klein) awards have visually on the spectator. The stones sparkle so bright when you move the the award around, changing the angle the light falls in. It really does not show on any photos posted here at all IMO and needs to be mentioned to understand the facination behind the physical awards.

[chen]

Btw, only as a side-note:
None of these photos show the impact these (O. Klein) awards have visually on the spectator. The stones sparkle so bright when you move the the award around, changing the angle the light falls in. It really does not show on any photos posted here at all IMO and needs to be mentioned to understand the facination behind the physical awards.

This picture( from another WAF member) although can not 100% reflect what Markus describes, nevertheless, quite closes to what he is trying to say.
Note its relationship to the KC.