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    #16
    Being relatively new to this I may be corrected on some of the following that I've picked up but at least I'm paying attention lol.

    Both examples that are posted in this thread have the oval base plate of Friedrich Orth who used L15 as well as L14.

    Do the Floch fakes not have different hardware on the reverse eg rectangular shaped hinge?

    Also, in the Floch fakes, does the 5 not more resemble an 'S'?

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      #17
      Not everything with an L15 stamp is a Floch fake. Mr. Floch never made the KVK1. One has to look at more than one product in order to declare something a fake.
      There is a lot more to the story ....
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        #18
        Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
        Mr. Floch never made the KVK1.
        Hello Dietrich,
        you are really sure, that Mr. Floch never made the KVK1?

        http://www.kvk1-dna.de/floch-kopie---floch-fake-.html

        These examples are no floch fakes?

        best regards
        Pattex

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          #19
          I said Mr. Floch never made a KVK 1 fake, yes.

          Not every fake is a fake from Mr. Floch. It is convenient to name it as such, but it is not always true. And I was referring to the L15 not to a fake in general.
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            #20
            IMO same the situation the EK1 pieces too
            """Not every fake is a fake from Mr. Floch ""
            I think lot of piece made Orth

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              #21
              As for the ground dug KvK,this is a new trend fakers are doing to peddle there fakes.
              Be careful.

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                #22
                that type of cross is genuine in my opinion I have owned a couple from good sources- there has been a lot of muddled information regarding L15, L/15, and Floch in recent years but if you actually examine this style of KVK you will see that it has nothing to compare to his known products- these are actually very nice crosses, zinc with tombak undercoat and hold the silver finish very well as a result.

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                  #23
                  Its period factual evidence is whats needed, just like the production picture of the ek2 round 3.

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                    #24
                    Hello everyone,

                    i know the topic is older. I received one of the L15 KVK and took a closer look at it. For me there is no doubt about the pieces. I noticed that the 3 notches that are mostly visible can also be seen in my pieces. However at the right angle and light, it is actually another stamp from the manufacturer. I can clearly see an L15 in a circle. For me another proof that these pieces are out of time. A forger doesn't do such a job.

                    Just wanted to show this once and hope it helps to put these pieces to rest when in doubt.

                    Greetings Pogi
                    Last edited by Pogi; 04-04-2020, 10:25 AM.

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                      #25
                      I thought this one (unmarked) was attributed to the Austrian?
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Pogi View Post
                        Just wanted to show this once and hope it helps to put these pieces to rest when in doubt.
                        No outside photo posting allowed. Please use the forum service.

                        Dietrich
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
                          No outside photo posting allowed. Please use the forum service.

                          Dietrich
                          Sorry Dietrich, i doesn‘t find another way. the forum only read photos via link. I thought it had to.

                          How can i include Pics direct?
                          Last edited by Pogi; 04-04-2020, 12:48 PM.

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                            #28
                            I have certainly changed my opinion of the OPs cross in the last five years. Good for me. However, the cross George shows in indeed a Floch.

                            Chet
                            Zinc stinks!

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by jack1 View Post
                              As for the ground dug KvK,this is a new trend fakers are doing to peddle there fakes.
                              Be careful.
                              This Kvk is 100% original. The finder dug up this Kvk in the Ruhr Pocket in Germany.

                              Regards siegfront

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Chet Sowersby View Post
                                I have certainly changed my opinion of the OPs cross in the last five years. Good for me. However, the cross George shows in indeed a Floch.

                                Chet
                                Hi Chet Other than the pin set up how can you tell a Floch some are screw back? Cliff

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