Screwback ek1

[46IR]

Hi guys
just got this cross and wondering if theres a way to identify the maker

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Thanks for all help
tom

[5tefan]

it is not an authentic EK1!

[Douglas 5]

It is an authentic EK1 !

Douglas

[streptile]

In my opinion there is zero chance this EK1 is authentic. It has been discussed before here.

[46IR]

Well thats a bummer ive just emailed him and told him thankfully he hasnt shipped it yet thanks for the help guys

[5tefan]

It is an authentic EK1 !

Douglas

Maybe Douglas,

is not convinced But the finger print of the fake is the same who create the round 3 fake!!!

http://www.ek1-dna.de/fakes-part-2----kopien-teil-2.php

You can compare the following L/11 % L58 screwback, same Frame!
And maybe he fools also Douglas

[5tefan]

Here the L58 marked with 800 too

[5tefan]

Both screwback & Special Frame design has nothing to do with L/11 and L58 !!!

[5tefan]

And this will blow up Douglas theory of the lower bent flaw on the 6 o'clock arm, left side!

[Douglas 5]

Thanks Stefan for your reply and initiating a discussion - a real good look at this one is long over due .

The Winkler cross does not have a post war fake frame . For now we are only talking about the frame not the core .

The same frame - die and 'master' existed early on ... looking at the heavy wide silver plated cross I have 39/ 40 ?

The same outside and inside frame trimming tools have been used on both crosses .
The outside edge/shape of the external trimmer does not match the actual bead curvature .... and this makes the frame flange wider and narrower in some places ... mostly seen on early crosses like the UB .

A full comparison with a few sectional comparisons .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Sections:

[Douglas 5]

Flaws found on both ...

[Douglas 5]

So your R3 is a post war made cross . The frame die is war time ., which I have shown .
The one on the right is a full war time cross with the same frame as your R3 .

The question : when did ownership change . I consider the Winkler cross war time .

The R3 shows we have a new owner of the frame die of this war time die master . Is it Souval - who knows- or has it a Souval disk on the Winkler cross ...

Douglas

[streptile]

Well thats a bummer ive just emailed him and told him thankfully he hasnt shipped it yet thanks for the help guys

Good job. You'll be happier with another.

[mp409mm]

And this will blow up Douglas theory of the lower bent flaw on the 6 o'clock arm, left side!

Sorry guys, but I am not sure I can follow; is the lower bent flaw on the 6 o'clock arm, left side! indication that it is a good S&L or a fake S&L ?
Alf.