My unmarked EK1 Paul Meybauer

[Euronymous]

Maybe it's an early "23", let me know ?

[sanya13]

Hí Diuglas
just an idea unmarked 23 ?

[Euronymous]

Thanks for the photos sanya. My cross has not a 23 frame. Could you show us a Meybauer frame but not a S&L ?

I add that close up for you Douglas. I hope it will help you.

[Douglas 5]

After comparing the corner - it is a S&L frame with the same bent flaw .

Douglas

[streptile]

Meybauer with 23 frame is quite a common combination.

[Euronymous]

Thanks Douglas for those comparisons. My cross seems to have the same bent flaw but the rest of the frame looks different. Could you show the whole cross ?

Streptile, do you want to mean my cross has a 23 frame ? I made a comparison but my cross doesn't look like a 23 frame in my opinion ...

[streptile]

Streptile, do you want to mean my cross has a 23 frame ? I made a comparison but my cross doesn't look like a 23 frame in my opinion ...

Yes, I think so.

[Euronymous]

I made a comparison with a "23" on Stefan's page but the frame of my cross looks different ... Why ?

[sanya13]

every corner is really not the same, but very similar
but it is not 100 % Meybauer frame

[Douglas 5]

Sanya :
If it is a S&L supplied products their are differences in most corners .
Here is an Early S&L where the front and back side have slightly different corners and angles . .. probably from different dies .

Douglas

[streptile]

I made a comparison with a "23" on Stefan's page but the frame of my cross looks different ... Why ?

I don't know because I haven't looked yet. Could be slight variations in the frame, wear, who knows?

But the 23 has a very specific shape (like a Deumer, different from a Meybauer) and a wide bead at 9 o'clock, and this frame matches those points.

Also, it's a common frame for the cross.

[Euronymous]

I hope it's NOT a "Frankenstein" cross ?

[streptile]

It's not; it's a good Meybauer / 23.

[Euronymous]

But maker "23" also used the same pin, catch and hinge. How can we know if that cross was manufactured by "23" or Meybauer ?

Could you post a cross with the same frame ? I would like to compare. I compared with the ones on Stefan's page but the frame does not match.

http://www.ek1-dna.de/arbeitsgemeins...3-,-berlin.php

Other question: I have never seen "23" marked crosses, why ?

[Douglas 5]

I know the question you have .
First to bring your picture up here permanently - better to look at .
Below what one expects with a 23 .

Douglas