My unmarked EK1 Paul Meybauer

[Euronymous]

Hello

Here comes my last acquisition, an unmarked Paul Meybauer EK1 with early pin. Opinions please ?

[Dansson]

Pictures are very small, but what I can from these small pictures is that the pin is correct.

Best regards,
Daniel

[Euronymous]

Please click on it to oversize them.

[Dansson]

IMO it is a good early Meybauer.

I did not realize to click on the pics first, sorry!

Best regards,
Daniel

[Jelle M.]

Original Meybauer

[Euronymous]

Thanks guys. Other opinions are welcome !

[Douglas 5]

Original .
Noticed some thing I need your help with .
The extensive flaw lines (buckle lines ?) made me look at the frame much closer and the wear spots on the bead tops .

Douglas

[Euronymous]

Yes Douglas, there is some flaw lines and a redish. Is it due to a worn die ?

Sorry I am not able to tell you if it's NI plated copper / brass. And if the frame was NI plated copper / brass as you tell, what would it mean ?

The frame of my cross is made by "Paul Meybauer" or "Steinhauer und Lück" ?

[Douglas 5]

This would indicate early and rare - and a severe violation of regulations . Only some early crosses were done this way by a few makers .
Copper was so precious and in high demand for ammunition .
Not sure how it was done . Possibly Ni-foil laid down and a copper strip used and struck together at the same time ??
Do you have a magnifying glass to look at it ?
From what I can tell that is a Maybauer made frame die and not S&L .
Close up of another area .

Douglas

[Euronymous]

I had a look on several Paul Meybauer EK1 and they very often have a S&L frame. Is it rare to find them with a Paul Meybauer frame ?

How many cores Did Paul Meybauer use ? On my cross, it's the early one ?

I tried to see with my magnifying glass but I don't see any real brown marks with my eyes. I add that close up for you.

[Douglas 5]

Excellent ... this solves the strange appearance . All it is - the shinny surface is reflecting some color in the background . Have seen this before that is why I asked .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

As far as I can tell you could have early Maybauer frame and core . Would need certain pictures . There are different S&L frames as to be sure .
It saems both Maybauer and S&L frames were used more or less at the same time early on until their own die became un-useable . How they got away with it is a mistery .
Not sure if we have 2 or 3 cores . Maybauer did supply maker 23 with cores also .
Samples shown below unless others have more .

Douglas

[Euronymous]

Both crosses on the bottom of your photo have a S&L frame ?

[Douglas 5]

Yes - mine and Dannison do .
Need a close up of this corner .

Thanks Douglas

[sanya13]

Hí Douglas
here is my unmarked Meybauer type with 1 tpye core ,but this the piece the frame not same

As far as I can tell you could have early Maybauer frame and core . Would need certain pictures . There are different S&L frames as to be sure .
It saems both Maybauer and S&L frames were used more or less at the same time early on until their own die became un-useable . How they got away with it is a mistery .
Not sure if we have 2 or 3 cores . Maybauer did supply maker 23 with cores also .
Samples shown below unless others have more .

Douglas