An other dangerous SC copy

[streptile]

You will not find a piece where I wrote that it is a copy. And it was not.

Maybe. But here is this type of cross, posted before:



And now your comment on it:

I think that with L / 55 stamped piece of original, but not the stamp.

Here's the thread.

[Legion Condor]

Hello,

the piece is a copy. No matter what you think. Of these, it is not original.

The copies have become so good. I know these pieces for some time. Before it was shown here in the forum.

In another forum, it is already exposed as a copy.

It can not think of any thing he wants. If you like it, and he does not believe that it is a copy, it can buy it and put it in his collection.

But why do you attack both me for my opinion.

Greeting LC

[morel5000]

Hi All,

I would like to hear the opinion of Hans and I don't like the "witch hunt" that now is starting.

The Spanish crosses are bringing a lot of money and do not have difficult manufacturing steps, such as frames soldering in iron crosses.

Here is an interesting thread about fake iron crosses and authority.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?t=784107\

Kind regards,
Michel

[fabri-online]

Legion Condor

ok, let's try to build something constructive. have you handled this kind of cross ? have you maken a serious study about or you have just seen it in a forum database ? are there proofs that Wachtler & Lange didn't produce this kind of cross ? these are important points.
Because if you want credibility about your opinion you have to demonstrate it, I hope you agree on this point... if yes, I am one of the interested guys to read them.

[Legion Condor]

Legion Condor

ok, let's try to build something constructive. have you handled this kind of cross ? have you maken a serious study about or you have just seen it in a forum database ? are there proofs that Wachtler & Lange didn't produce this kind of cross ? these are important points.
Because if you want credibility about your opinion you have to demonstrate it, I hope you agree on this point... if yes, I am one of the interested guys to read them.

Hello,

very nice we can be Objectively again. I do not like to help with SPK and PTA LC when attacking me for no reason.

Point 1. The piece is perceived by a known original. It turns, this is a very often on the market occurring piece. Presumably, the manufacturer Godet. Is not yet assured, the manufacturer Godet.

Point 2. The HK at Eagle's much too big and not cut out by hand.

Point 3. The needle point shows the traces are not found in the original.

Point 4. The way the eagles are used, is very questionable.

Point 5. The surface structure of the cross-body is not correct.

Point 6. I studied for my book research currently over 2000 Spain crosses and very many documented. There has never been a piece of a collection and not in a group.

Point 7. I collect over 20 years of pieces of LC, also in the time I have never seen a L55.

Point 8. There are of L55 in any old newspaper advertising from W & L with SPk. Also no catalog is known where one can see a piece.

Point 9. The hallmark not like it, does not look 100% identical. Would have better pictures forum.

Ok, one, two points are not evidence. But speak clearly against the piece.

And as I said is just my opinion.

Greeting LC

[Matthew]

Not sure if those above, the rest of them or even the one I got to study after it was deemed 'cast copy' by Hans Gunther are in fact fakes as I never studied SC's.

What I did study however, were casting methods. The cross he deemed 'cast' is definitely not. It was produced by a die. Whether struck in 1939 or 1989, those who studied SC's in depth can answer better than me.


cheers

Matt

[streptile]

the piece is a copy. No matter what you think. Of these, it is not original.

I didn't say it was original, but you did, last year. Or have I misunderstood your earlier post?

[Scott C.]

The Spanish crosses ... do not have difficult manufacturing steps, such as frames soldering in iron crosses.

I agree - expertly soldering the wingtips of 4 small LW eagles perfectly even between each arm of the cross is an amazingly simple task.

[Legion Condor]

I didn't say it was original, but you did, last year. Or have I misunderstood your earlier post?

Hello,

No you're right. But the old pictures were not good. Now we have very good pictures. And I had the opportunity to look at me as a piece exactly.

You can always do so.

But even with the old piece I told my doubt.

Greeting LC

[Volksgrenadier 44]

I don't see the eagles as being that sloppy...

Realy! that surprises me but thats why we discuss these things!

Ross

[George L]

Michel, I'd disagree as there's a lot more parts on an SK than any RK.

The Spanish crosses are bringing a lot of money and do not have difficult manufacturing steps, such as frames soldering in iron crosses.