I think 'they' have refined that repo even further with greater detail etc.
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Frosting sure looks nice. Finishing improving quite a bit.Originally posted by Dave KaneComment
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"Great..Detlev must be back from holidays! He's now talking through George!"
Very funny, Dave.
You know (or should know) what that fake RK is -- the one with the blob between the "1" and "8" of "1813." And Detlev must be aware of it, and there's no way that he would include it in his book.
That Tom is not aware of it just goes to show that there's more to learning about this award than simply buying examples of it.
Here is that fake:GeorgeComment
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Ouch! I think George has hurt my feelingsOriginally posted by George Stimson"Great..Detlev must be back from holidays! He's now talking through George!"
Very funny, Dave. You know (or should know) what that fake RK is -- the one with the blob between the "1" and "8" of "1813." And Detlev must be aware of it, and there's no way that he would include it in his book.
That Tom is not aware of it just goes to show that there's more to learning about this award than simply buying examples of it.
Here is that fake:
. Where is a moderator when one needs to keep it civil?
Here again is what Gordon says about the fake in his book...
"There is little actually "wrong" with this copy, which would have been accepted almost without question but for a degree of foolishness on the part of the manufacturers. This copy would, had it been sold with a simple "800" silver content stamp, correctly positioned, almost certainly passed muster."
These fakes shown above are easily detectable and would not fool collectors or dealers. Do you know that the photo you have posted above IS the cross that Gordon is referring to in this passage?Comment
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Yes I know because I communicated with Gordon about that very example and even sent it to him.GeorgeComment
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George, you know I'm just messing with you!!!
You took one of my less articulate posts and hung on every word.....this one I just couldn't resist!!!Regards,
DaveComment
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So you know for fact that this IS the piece he was referring to in his book on P. 468? If so, his description is not accurate.Originally posted by George StimsonComment
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What's not accurate about it?GeorgeComment
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"You took one of my less articulate posts and hung on every word"
Well gee, Dave. Try to be more articulate, for crying out loud!
GeorgeComment
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George- the ones posted do not satisfy what Gordon said. I repeat.....
"In most recent times, a very high quality copy of the Knight's Cross has begun to appear with alarming regularity. This type has fooled experienced collectors and dealers alike."
These photos are not ones that would fool experienced collectors and dealers alike. The cross that Detlev has looks a heck of alot more like a juncker than any of these do. I think the one you posted is one of the junckers that appears on Snyders Treasures.Comment
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Right back to you Detlev....er I mean George!!!
GS, show us a better pic of that cross as this one washes out a great deal!Regards,
DaveComment
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The fakes posted are not great fakes and would not fool any dealer. Where is the cross to which Gordon is referring? Does it look like the Detlev cross?Comment
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Tom, that's the cross. It's the same one and with practically the same word for word description as is featured in the fakes section on Gordons CD-ROM on RKs. If you don't believe me, PM Gordon and ask him.
You say it wouldn't fool advanced collectors -- I'm afraid that when this fake came out in the mid 1990s it did just that. They regarded it as an exciting new discovery until the multiple makers marks started showing up. (Mine was marked "1.")
Here's another pic. This is the best I can do as I no longer have the piece -- only some pics.GeorgeComment
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I guess that was before images were readily available on the internet for comparison. I think Gordon needs to change his book. Detlev's cross, on the other hand, is very close to a juncker, much more so than any one of the fakes posted. I guess the clincher for moving from "indeterminate" to "fake" will be if/when there appears the same cross with other maker marks beyond the "800" silver.Comment
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In the second pic you can make out the cross-hatching at the outer corners (here on the 12 o'clock arm) that Gordon refers to.GeorgeComment
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