Unknown RK Maker

[Dietrich Maerz]

Trusting that Mr. Niemann is back from his Weihnachtsferien I bump this up (again).

I still think that the subject of a new unidentified maker of a Knights Cross is too important to sink down into the countless threads below.

This can't be the purpose of showing this new cross in his new book - just too exiting to let it go.

I trust that this time we will hear more.

Dietrich


P.S.: I gonna bump this till the cows come home...

[Marc Garlasco]

Dietrich,

Three words:

Scanning Electron Microscope

[Dietrich Maerz]

Marc,

..... dream on. Unless you want to buy it, if it is for sale, that is!

I do not understand the lack of communication here .

- a NEW maker of the Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes!
- in published form (not like: look what I found in the basement ....)
- complete with price evaluation!
- from a member of this forum!
- with provenance!

and NO other reply other then "It's not a Juncker".

I cannot believe it. Without going too far for some people, I humbly suggest that I might possibly have the right ( when I have the opportunity, which I have here) to kindly ask the author of this book a little more about the fact that the author was convinced enough to put this cross into his new book and also put a price tag to it.

Do I ask too much here?? Is this unpolite?? Why is it so hard to answer this simple question??? Bitte!

Dietrich

[Dietrich Maerz]

bump...

[Dietrich Maerz]

Antother interesting thing is also that DN speaks of two types of unknown maker(s), those with non-magnetic cores and those with iron cores.

So he must have at least evidence for one maker with iron / non-iron core OR two makers, one with iron core and the other with non-iron core.

Oh, so many questions. I guess the best approach to this problem is Tom's!!!

He just buys it and then opens the discussion.


Dietrich

[George Stimson]

"I guess the best approach to this problem is Tom's!!!
He just buys it and then opens the discussion."

That is the best approach, oftentimes -- obtain (buy) the piece in question and do the research yourself!

[tom hansen]

Yup-


Unfortunately, that appears as though it is the best way, as then we can analyze these things better. I think that is the Harry approach as well .


Is Detlev's non-juncker for sale? I cannot find it on his site. If it is, I would like to buy it and take a look. I think it would be very interesting. Anybody know where it is? I sent him a note on his correspondence to ask if it is available for sale.


Also- I have been able to get a Meybauer EK1, a Wachtler and Lange EK2, as well as a ww2 Godet EK1 for comparison of the paint to the 3/4 ring under SEM. I will have 2 juncker RKs as well to analyze. I am looking for any similarities of trace metals in the paint to get some clues for the maker of the 3/4 ring. I would think that juncker, godet, meybauer, and wachtler and lange would have that covered. Do you think I would need a ww1 godet as well?

[Brian S]

Antother interesting thing is also that DN speaks of two types of unknown maker(s), those with non-magnetic cores and those with iron cores.

So he must have at least evidence for one maker with iron / non-iron core OR two makers, one with iron core and the other with non-iron core.

Oh, so many questions. I guess the best approach to this problem is Tom's!!!

He just buys it and then opens the discussion.


Dietrich

...and from the other thread I thought it interesting some of these are for the "advanced collector." If that's someone with money to burn on 'maybes', I will NEVER be an 'advanced collector'. I have to KNOW. But for you 'advanced collectors', I do know how you can obtain AH's missing testicle for a moderate fee. (why do I write things I know will get in trouble? had to work on the network at 5 am, I'm a little rummy...)

[George Stimson]

Here's "trouble", then....

Brian, would you please offer your Hitler testicle in the proper Forum?

[Harry]

Brian,

I think what Tom is getting at is that you need to get a cross 'in hand' to have a good appreciation if it is OK or not. No harm in taking advantage of the generous returns policies of the more reliable dealers to do a bit of research.......buy the cross, handle it, photograph it, then send it back for your money back. No harm done! A lot can be learned from this, that benefits all collectors...........

[Brian S]

I know Harry. I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm very rummy still.

The only fear I have of this approach is the international postal systems losing the parcel in route back to the source and the ensuing nail biting.

[tom hansen]

Brian- I think with Fed Ex, DHL, and wire bank transfers it is all pretty safe. I would be nervous about the regular postal services.



It seems as though many times the photos for some of these items are simply not enough. As Harry points out, the dealers have generous return times and one can evaluate these pieces, post them, discuss them, and then decide.Believe it or not, I actually look at these pieces a long time before I buy them, which is probably why I have only purchased only one higher end item from Detelv (It was mistakenly pulled from the site and allowed me a week to look at it before buying it- otherwise it would have been gone like everything else there). I know the dealers are often derided, but that is really a nice system for us and is really a great opportunity to be very comfortable with the items we purchase. Therefore I see absolutlely nothing wrong with buying some of these pieces, test driving them, and either keeping them or sending them back. I have sent back some pieces with these policies and there has never been a problem.

Look at all the wonderful S&L information Harry has uncovered by this approach. This is all stuff that has not appeared in discussions before and was probably not noticed before. Perhaps a look at the "non-juncker" might be equally as interesting. If it has period materials and compared to known EK1s or EK2s, it might be interesting. Then again, it might just be a fake. But unless we take a look at these things and dissect them, it will all be speculation.

[Brian S]

I'm beginning to think DHL is the only way to receive a high end package from Germany. I have heard of carefully cut into DHL packages being delivered...

[Dietrich Maerz]

Tom,

any luck in buying this cross from Detlev?

Dietrich

[tom hansen]

He said he does not have it for sale. So we are not going to be able to evaluate the cross. Too bad.