Two L/12 EKI's..

[Robert P.]

I know this is an age-old question which may not have an answer to yet, but I'll put it out once more hoping for more information. The first cross posted is a standard 'L/12'-marked EKI with typical 'L/12' frame and a W&L core. The second 'L/12'-marked cross has the typical 'L/12' frame as well but has a 1st pattern Juncker core.

Now, here's the question...Knowing that W&L had a contract with Juncker did W&L construct these crosses with their cores in their own plant with their own/or borrowed 'L/12' stamp, or did Juncker make these crosses in-house with delivered W&L components (cores, etc...) and stamp them themselves?

I've made a montage of two 'L/12'-stamped SB's with hopes that someone could possibly add their comments regarding whether or not they were made with the same stamp.

First up is a W&L-cored 'L/12'-marked cross. Secondly a full Juncker 'L/12'-marked cross, then the montage...

Robert

[Robert P.]

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[plaut]

Robert,

IMO all Juncker's EK's were assembled by Juncker employees. On each you can find Juncker quality fingerprints and no traces of W&L perfection

[streptile]

Robert,

IMO all Juncker's EK's were assembled by Juncker employees. On each you can find Juncker quality fingerprints and no traces of W&L perfection

I agree 1000%

Juncker made all their crosses, and you can tell because the fit and finish of any Juncker is totally different (rougher, porous looking reverse, no bright silvering on the frame, hand-filed edges, gaps between core and frame, beautiful) from that on any W&L (bright silvered frame, perfect fit and finish, soulless), no matter which frame or core is used.

[Robert P.]

Thanks you guys,

You have answered my question. Thank you very much.

Robert

[sanya13]

Hí Robert
here is the mine marked mark L/12 W&L core,is the same as yours mm cross

[Robert P.]

Very nice cross Sanya,

I used to not appreciate the W&L-cored Junckers. But looking at them historically they're still part of Juncker's lineage.

Robert

[sanya13]

You may be right
because I have noticed that these types of crosses (W&L core)
other kind of marking is

Very nice cross Sanya,

I used to not appreciate the W&L-cored Junckers. But looking at them historically they're still part of Juncker's lineage.

Robert

[Douglas 5]

Hi Robert :
You asked about the ' L/12 ' maker mark .... I do not have them all done up yet .
A temporary guess right now there might be a variation of 6 or 7 of these L/12 type marks ( ... and about 18 different fake L/12 marks ) . To do it properly I need to have in hand each type to take all with the same camera , lighting, settings and importantly the same scale ... there seams to be at least one that is a ' mini ' mark- similar to the Maybauer one .

I disagree 1000% -- Juncker did not make all of own their own crosses : W&L made some and the Gablonz company made some .

For now here are 2 of the L/12 variations that W&L used - showing the differences .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Getting back to this old thread (I found it this AM while browsing for Juncker examples) I see we have differing opinions, and that is only human. To me...to me, I lean to the assembly characteristics. And despite the W&L core in the 'L/12'-marked crosses if they possess Juncker characteristics then they are truly Juncker-assembled crosses, pure and simple. Robertj

[boch_62]

... I disagree 1000% -- Juncker did not make all of own their own crosses : W&L made some and the Gablonz company made some ...

As has already been rehashed old thread, I have to admit that I have doubts as to whether all the crosses Juncker has performed alone ... or whether we are dealing with cooperation with other contractors who performed for Juncker crosses assembled from parts Juncker's and other manufacturers, for example W&L

Regards
Jarek

[Robert P.]

As has already been rehashed old thread, I have to admit that I have doubts as to whether all the crosses Juncker has performed alone ... or whether we are dealing with cooperation with other contractors who performed for Juncker crosses assembled from parts Juncker's and other manufacturers, for example W&L

Regards
Jarek

OK, this is how I see it, and it's very simple: agreed, Juncker did have cooperation from other makers (parts, pieces). If the end production shows Juncker characteristics then I, I would say Juncker assembled and stamped them. Robert

[boch_62]

OK, this is how I see it, and it's very simple: agreed, Juncker did have cooperation from other makers (parts, pieces). If the end production shows Juncker characteristics then I, I would say Juncker assembled and stamped them. Robert

Hi Robert,
Maybe you're right, but not necessarily.
As to the production of Juncker company, only in terms of crosses EK2-1939 is a lot of doubts ...
Not so long ago, to 100% attributed Juncker crosses Small Frame and Long Flaw Frame, at the moment have not really ... now there are doubts as to the manufacturer crosses LUG Variant and possible participation in production the company of Juncker
I am glad that you are so crystallized ideas, but I do not.
For the time being. I have too many unknowns and uncertainties.
For me, on the crosses Juncker, is the bottomless pit

Jarek

[Robert P.]

Certainly we are ALL still learning...we learn IF we stay flexible. Thank you, sir, for what you have contributed to this broad study...Robert

[boch_62]

Jarek