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    Loops and RKs

    I have a general question on RKs and their accompanying ribbon loops. Would it be considered sacrilege to change a loop on an RK for a loop that is original, of the same pattern/maunfacturer, but just in nicer condition? What are the chances of this having been done at some stage during the last 60 years before they reach our collections? Shouldn't the amount of wear on a cross match that shown on the ribbon loop? All comments welcome!

    #2
    Harry I have seen S&L loops on Juncker crosses and lots of other combinations....I would 'feel' better with the appropiate loop on a particular cross!


    Over a 60 year period there's going to be some mixing and matching even if not purposely done.

    As long as it doesn't contradict any documentation belonging to the cross who really is to know and the cross 'benefits' by being made whole again!!
    Regards,
    Dave

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      #3
      Dave,

      I completely agree that the loop should be of the same maker as the cross. Trouble is, most collectors, myself included, would not know the characteristic features of different maker loops. I am sure there are lots of collections in existance with a good RK as its centre-piece but with an inappropriate loop attached, unknown to the owner. I have not found a decent thread on loops and I think they need to be discussed more. Perhaps we could have some pics of 'classic' examples of the more common makers?

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        #4
        Great idea Harry! I'll start off with some S&L...from early round, to later cone shaped.
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        Regards,
        Dave

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          #5
          Still early..
          Last edited by Dave Kane; 12-17-2006, 01:52 PM.
          Regards,
          Dave

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            #6
            Mid...w/ cone shape
            Last edited by Dave Kane; 12-17-2006, 01:52 PM.
            Regards,
            Dave

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              #7
              mid to late...cone but rougher finish.
              Last edited by Dave Kane; 12-17-2006, 01:52 PM.
              Regards,
              Dave

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                #8
                Juncker....early but NOT the very early
                Last edited by Dave Kane; 12-17-2006, 01:52 PM.
                Regards,
                Dave

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                  #9
                  Another early
                  Last edited by Dave Kane; 12-17-2006, 01:52 PM.
                  Regards,
                  Dave

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                    #10
                    mid...note the 'shortcutting'
                    Last edited by Dave Kane; 12-17-2006, 01:52 PM.
                    Regards,
                    Dave

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                      #11
                      Great pics. Dave, and thanks for them.
                      I can see the differences in the 800 font also between S&L and Juncker. A further question, both makers had a standard and a 'micro' 800 stamp, should one expect to see a 'micro' 800 marked loop (if there is such a thing) on a micro 800 cross?

                      Best,

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                        #12
                        including a pic of my mid to late war S&L loop here
                        Last edited by Harry; 07-10-2007, 06:38 AM.

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                          #13
                          again......
                          Last edited by Harry; 07-10-2007, 06:38 AM.

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