Juncker 1st pattern 1st cl. Spange, opinions please...

[Robert P.]

Hello fellas,

I just received this long-sought-after 1st pattern Juncker repetition clasp and thought I'd post some photos and ask for opinions, please...

Thanks,
Robert

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[streptile]

Great looking original Juncker with their mean bird design

[Robert P.]

Thanks Trevor for the reply,

I feel very fortunate to have found one of these. It came up on a Berlin, Germany militaria site last week on an update. There was an 'intermediate' Juncker 1st class spange on the same update, something I have never seen before.

Robert

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Beautiful Juncker spange. Jim

[Robert P.]

Thank you Jim,

Glad you approve of it!

Robert

[Robert P.]

A little less 'starchy' photo...

Robert

[streptile]

There was an 'intermediate' Juncker 1st class spange on the same update, something I have never seen before.

Hmm, I'm highly skeptical. Do you have photos of this piece?

[streptile]

By the way, I've seen four hardware variations on the 1. Pattern Junckers:

1. Laying hinge, round catch and scalloped pin (earliest, I think);
2. Standing small hinge and straight pin (as on yours);
3. Standing larger hinge and straight pin (most commonly found);
4. Two-piece screwback (rarest by far).

Anyone seen others?

Here are no. 3. (I think) and no. 1:

[Robert P.]

Hmm, I'm highly skeptical. Do you have photos of this piece?

Here are some photos, Trevor. Veins in the chest feathers, inner wings and a slight curvature to the date box sides/ends...

Robert

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[streptile]

In my opinion that's a 2. Pattern piece. If the datebox is indeed scalloped (can't quite tell) then it's been done by hand.

The 1. Pattern Junckers all had outer-wing veins only. The early 2. Patterns were the same: outer-wing veins only. Finally, the third type had full feather veins and always carried an L/12 mark, and the same pin we see on that piece. So this could not be an "intermediate" piece because the very first types after the 1. Pattern all have outer-wing veins only.

Moreover, the idea that the datebox "evolved" from scalloped ends, to only minimally scalloped ends, to flat ends, is ridiculous on its face. It was scalloped, and then the design changed to flat. There is nothing "in-between," same as there is no "intermediate Schinkel."