EK 2 Clasp on double ribbon EK2+KVK.

[lordpage]

Hi
I wanted to show you the is the latest addition to my collection a Spange zum Eisernes kreuz 2 klasse on WW1 EK & WW2 KVK ribbon.I am pretty sure this clasp is a Hammer & Sohne but I always welcome confirmation and opinions.I hope you enjoy .

Regards Jon

[Robert P.]

Yes, it does look like a Hammer & Sohne spange.

That's a strange/unusual combination of ribbons. Do you own the jacket (HBT?) as well?

Robert

[reichenberg]

It is an unusual combination but the method of wear is correct. The KVK ribbon looks like the early 'orange' type.

[lordpage]

The Jacket is just a repro SS uniform that I bought for display and to turn heads when shopping at Tesco's(I'm an old Punk Rocker who still likes to shock)it seemed appropriate for the photo.It is an unusual combination that I haven't seen before,I have seem double ribbons sometimes KVK sometimes Russian front,maybe one day I will find a clasp on that combo.I found this on Bruce Herman's'Grenadier military antiques'he has some very interesting pieces some really different and with that little extra interest which I really like!

Jon

http://web.iwebcenters.com/grenadier...es/index2.ivnu

[reichenberg]

LOL. I too am an old Rocker (not punk) and I used to wear an old original German officers tunic when I was in town. I remember years ago seeing a milkman doing his rounds wearing a similar one to mine and he had bought it from the same dealer, a little corner shop in Gloucester called 'The Old Curiosity Shop' and run by a guy called John Williams, and later by his family. I really wish it was still there.

[tinmantis]

fab fab fabulous
just how I like to see them, congrats
regards
jon

[Robert P.]

It is an unusual combination but the method of wear is correct. The KVK ribbon looks like the early 'orange' type.

Yes, the KVKII precedes the EKII spange of course, it being a lesser award. But, I have never seen these worn together in an era photo before. Personally, I would think the serviceman would do away with the KVKII ribbon upon receiving the 1939 EKII (spange) and wear just the mounted spange on the 1914 EKII ribbon. I mean, why would anyone take off a 1914 ribbon to mount a KVKII ribbon underneath it? But who am I to judge? I'm certain soldiers did what they wanted to.

Robert

[lordpage]

KVK being a very different award to the EK and not part of the EK award process being for merit and not valour and heroism, I would think some would want to show it with pride same as wearing KVK1 and EK1.I have seen these ribbon combinations in many photographs, it was just personal taste I know I have seen Ost front ribbons worn as well were there any other ribbons that could be worn on the second button hole.

Jon

[Robert P.]

The combination of ribbons looks original indeed. Patina, wear, etc...

Respectfully,
Robert

[Robert P.]

KVK being a very different award to the EK and not part of the EK award process being for merit and not valour and heroism, I would think some would want to show it with pride same as wearing KVK1 and EK1.I have seen these ribbon combinations in many photographs, it was just personal taste I know I have seen Ost front ribbons worn as well were there any other ribbons that could be worn on the second button hole.

Jon

I'm not 100% sure on that, Jon. I've seen both 1914 and 1939 EK ribbons, honor clasp ribbons, KVKII and Ost. There are probably more, just slips my mind at the moment.

Here is a spange on a drillich I have had for awhile...

Robert

[Robert P.]

Just ran across this Jon, a KVKII ribbon under a 1939 EKII ribbon...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=672933

Robert

[lordpage]

For me the ribbon is an important part of a medal collection especially in the case of the EK 2.I would love to find an original '39 ribbon but that's a hard one to find unless its still attached to the uniform and always been attached.there must have been millions thrown away or lost in time.I think one of my EK2's has a ribbon that looks like it could have been attached to the button hole at some point as it is sewn over in a similar way.This spange looks like it's been on the ribbon for a long time,there is even what looks like part of a bloody thumb print on the swaz and even either side on the ribbon.I will certainly be on the look out for more but the trouble is with most photgaphs are `Black and white' easy to spot an Ost though.What would be nice is an Honor roll clasp on uniform removed ribbon.

Jon

Can't see the spange n the drillich RobertInteresting thread I do love the uniforms of the Wehrmact such stlyle.

[Robert P.]

Jon,

I was referring to the ribbon bar (spange). KVKII w/swrds. and Ost.

Here is a tropical Luftwaffe flak jacket I used to own with its originally applied EKII ribbon. It shows nice sign of wear and great patina, sun-fading...

Robert

[lordpage]

Yes I see never thought of it as a clasp before,ribbon bars seem to be the one constant that all soldiers adhered to. I have seen RK holders just wearing the RK as its sort of a given that they have the lower grades others wear every medal they are intitled to and why not I would if I could,I haven't looked into regulations on this yet but should imagine they could be interpreted differently at times.Ribbons are fascinating in themselves with thread counts,weave,ect and the study of uniforms and insignia another always nice to see intact with medal ribbons and bars.

Jon

[Miro O]

Nice clasp! Congratulations.

This is the second time I see EK2 clasp with KVK and EK ribbon. First time it was on woeschler´s page. It was sold quickly and I can´t find reference photo in his site archive.

Miro