EKI and EKII Spangen - which ones.

[Wolf100]

Got these Wiederholungsspangen today.
With the EKII Spange was this red LDO box.

Which maker is the EKII Spange and what is it worth?

Same question with the EKI Spange....

I´m a ring collector, so i don´t have a clue. Both Spangen will be sold, so i need to know how much is okay to sell for..

Thanks!!!

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[streptile]

Both are fakes, sorry.

[Wolf100]

Why? I'm a ring guy, so i don't have a clue about awards. Please educate me a little bit. I have a Detlev Niemann COA. Was he wrong ? I can not upload pics :-(

[Gew44]

Both fake, for material and design.

Also the Niemann COA are reproduced.

Sorry

Ciao

[streptile]

Hi Wolf,

Well, Detlev wasn't too often wrong. My apologies -- I may have spoken too soon. Please show better pics, including the reverse, to confirm whether it's a Schickle or a Raptor, the EK2 an S&L or another one. We really need big, detailed photos.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Here is an authentic Schickle and an authentic S&L, the two types yours may or may not be.

[streptile]

...and here are the fakes I suspected yours are.

1. Raptor
2. Un-named ugly fake.

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[Wolf100]

Pics

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[streptile]

Hi Wolf,

As I wrote you by email, the EK1 Spange is a good one, and the EK2 Spange is a fake.

My apologies for my hasty judgment about the EK1 Spange; the Raptor fake is so close to this type that from the undetailed photos it's very easy to mix them up.

Did Niemann write a COA for the 2. Class as well?