The Assmann Schinkel-Old

[5tefan]

Douglas: I also think the A&S mark is post-war.

Stefan: I don't quite get your point, how does it prove that L/54 had nothing to do with Assmann?
Maybe I am overlooking something, but IMO Assmann never made ek's, but bought them from S&H.

Best regards,
Ben

Hi Ben,

didn't you see the different frame?

[ben bijker]

Well Stefan, the frames look different because the outside of the ribbing has been smoothened out on the right-hand cross.
Apart from that they are pretty much similar.
It is very hard to compare because of the difference in wear.

Even if the are not a 100% match, they are close enough to conclude they are from the same maker, but they may come from different dies.

IMO no proof they are from different makers.

[Montgomery Burns]

unintentionally

I think the frame comparing technique's used here and ,
( in general are the base off all conclusions in iron crosses world )
misleading the user off such techniques strongly and unintentional

I seriously take in to account the following thoughts

important production possibility's may be overlooked so far,,

as they where simply not found yet

I found it in an old jeweler book as advertisement ...1938.

a company named VOS & STANGE making the pressing tools fore the production off silver ware ....(Stanz werkzeuge and Präge werzeuge )

i dont have to point out the possibility's here

but this finding turned my frame comparing and identification thoughts up side down

as maybe,,,
many producers off Iron crosses just simply ordered there tools at specialized company's and so ,,,,

potential strongly similar tools spread over the whole producers field

it explained a lot off enigmas to me so far in the 1939 section as well as in imperial

as far as I know
that could even going back as far back as 1870
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=605977 .

but I think it is to the well respected experts here in this thread to see if this plausibility is usable fore the 1939 section .

hope I did share some important information here ,,

hope you 1939 guy's can use it

regards kay

[fabri-online]

In my opinion an interesting point.
Personally I think that, if so, the EK manufacturers supplied the design of dates and frame for the die construction.

[Douglas 5]

Well Kay ... as the add shows this is very specialized tools and tooling mainly for jewlers and jewlery producers . They are intended for soft and thin metal ... with the purpose of only forming and bending . An Iron cross is a design - fine and deap relief that requires the actual metal to be punched and stretshed into a mold form . Regardless of method - very high presure formed or by high impact ...... these are not every day items . Wild Museum Hamburg... 'Presure Press" . An 'Impact Press ' close to the same size .

Douglas

[Montgomery Burns]

Well Kay ... as the add shows this is very specialized tools and tooling mainly for jewlers and jewlery producers . They are intended for soft and thin metal ... with the purpose of only forming and bending . An Iron cross is a design - fine and deap relief that requires the actual metal to be punched and stretshed into a mold form . Regardless of method - very high presure formed or by high impact ...... these are not every day items . Wild Museum Hamburg... 'Presure Press" . An 'Impact Press ' close to the same size .

Douglas

hey Douglas ,,nice press there ,,

do they also show the tools used fore the press ???


regards kay


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[Montgomery Burns]

ps ,,I am curious

what are you think about what i pointed out ?



regard kay







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[Andreas Klein]

Hi Kay,

the still have it but most of them are not shown in the public. They are in a seperate room behind class where the reconstructed the look of a workplace.

Btw they are looking like the "Stanzwerkzeuge" as it is shown in the ad by Voss. The word "Stanzwerkzeuge" was used for the word "dies" too and has nothing to do with the press shown by Douglas.

So it's surely possible that Voss was able to supply an awards maker ....

[Montgomery Burns]

Hi Kay,

the still have it but most of them are not shown in the public. They are in a seperate room behind class where the reconstructed the look of a workplace.

Btw they are looking like the "Stanzwerkzeuge" as it is shown in the ad by Voss. The word "Stanzwerkzeuge" was used for the word "dies" too and has nothing to do with the press shown by Douglas.

So it's surely possible that Voss was able to supply an awards maker ....

well ,,,it is a possibility that could fill in some open puzzle peaces .

I hope I find more ,,( I am sure )

thanks Andreas

kay

[streptile]

I am going to re-do this thread because all the photos are gone. They were uploaded to WAF, but never migrated from the old server, I suppose. I'll post the entire first post again in multiple posts. Please don't add a reply til I'm done. Thank you