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    #46
    Originally posted by ben bijker
    Douglas: I also think the A&S mark is post-war.

    Stefan: I don't quite get your point, how does it prove that L/54 had nothing to do with Assmann?
    Maybe I am overlooking something, but IMO Assmann never made ek's, but bought them from S&H.

    Best regards,
    Ben
    Hi Ben,

    didn't you see the different frame?

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      #47
      Well Stefan, the frames look different because the outside of the ribbing has been smoothened out on the right-hand cross.
      Apart from that they are pretty much similar.
      It is very hard to compare because of the difference in wear.

      Even if the are not a 100% match, they are close enough to conclude they are from the same maker, but they may come from different dies.

      IMO no proof they are from different makers.

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        #48


        unintentionally

        I think the frame comparing technique's used here and ,
        ( in general are the base off all conclusions in iron crosses world )
        misleading the user off such techniques strongly and unintentional

        I seriously take in to account the following thoughts

        important production possibility's may be overlooked so far,,

        as they where simply not found yet

        I found it in an old jeweler book as advertisement ...1938.

        a company named VOS & STANGE making the pressing tools fore the production off silver ware ....(Stanz werkzeuge and Präge werzeuge )

        i dont have to point out the possibility's here

        but this finding turned my frame comparing and identification thoughts up side down

        as maybe,,,
        many producers off Iron crosses just simply ordered there tools at specialized company's and so ,,,,

        potential strongly similar tools spread over the whole producers field

        it explained a lot off enigmas to me so far in the 1939 section as well as in imperial

        as far as I know
        that could even going back as far back as 1870
        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=605977 .

        but I think it is to the well respected experts here in this thread to see if this plausibility is usable fore the 1939 section .

        hope I did share some important information here ,,

        hope you 1939 guy's can use it


        regards kay
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          #49
          In my opinion an interesting point.
          Personally I think that, if so, the EK manufacturers supplied the design of dates and frame for the die construction.

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            #50
            Well Kay ... as the add shows this is very specialized tools and tooling mainly for jewlers and jewlery producers . They are intended for soft and thin metal ... with the purpose of only forming and bending . An Iron cross is a design - fine and deap relief that requires the actual metal to be punched and stretshed into a mold form . Regardless of method - very high presure formed or by high impact ...... these are not every day items . Wild Museum Hamburg... 'Presure Press" . An 'Impact Press ' close to the same size .

            Douglas
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              #51
              Originally posted by Douglas 5
              Well Kay ... as the add shows this is very specialized tools and tooling mainly for jewlers and jewlery producers . They are intended for soft and thin metal ... with the purpose of only forming and bending . An Iron cross is a design - fine and deap relief that requires the actual metal to be punched and stretshed into a mold form . Regardless of method - very high presure formed or by high impact ...... these are not every day items . Wild Museum Hamburg... 'Presure Press" . An 'Impact Press ' close to the same size .

              Douglas
              hey Douglas ,,nice press there ,,

              do they also show the tools used fore the press ???


              regards kay


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                #52


                ps ,,I am curious

                what are you think about what i pointed out ?



                regard kay







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                  #53
                  Hi Kay,

                  the still have it but most of them are not shown in the public. They are in a seperate room behind class where the reconstructed the look of a workplace.

                  Btw they are looking like the "Stanzwerkzeuge" as it is shown in the ad by Voss. The word "Stanzwerkzeuge" was used for the word "dies" too and has nothing to do with the press shown by Douglas.

                  So it's surely possible that Voss was able to supply an awards maker ....
                  Best regards, Andreas

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Andreas Klein
                    Hi Kay,

                    the still have it but most of them are not shown in the public. They are in a seperate room behind class where the reconstructed the look of a workplace.

                    Btw they are looking like the "Stanzwerkzeuge" as it is shown in the ad by Voss. The word "Stanzwerkzeuge" was used for the word "dies" too and has nothing to do with the press shown by Douglas.

                    So it's surely possible that Voss was able to supply an awards maker ....
                    well ,,,it is a possibility that could fill in some open puzzle peaces .

                    I hope I find more ,,( I am sure )

                    thanks Andreas

                    kay

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                      #55
                      I am going to re-do this thread because all the photos are gone. They were uploaded to WAF, but never migrated from the old server, I suppose. I'll post the entire first post again in multiple posts. Please don't add a reply til I'm done. Thank you
                      Best regards,
                      Streptile

                      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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