The steps to made EKII 1939

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I think it's a prototype of the future RK, Hakenkreuz & date hand frosted !!

If I had seen this at a trade show I yelled at fake ...... I don't learn enough

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That'all folks,
The forum server resize the picture on Mb and this operation resize also the dimension showed, the original enlarged pics are so many big.

Thanks to all

[Chet Sowersby]

Max,
A superb presentation that I find highly informative.

Chet

[StefanK.]

Awesome!!!

[streptile]

The one big difference between W&L and CE Juncker is - according to my investifations - the finishing of the parts.

Hi Stefan,

Many thanks for your interesting observations! I too have noticed a real difference in the finish of Junckers compared to W&L.

One other observation is that Juncker never used the same durable, flashy silvering process that W&L used for the frame flanges. So today the crosses have aged very differently and it is usually possible, even on an unmarked cross, to guess whether it is a Juncker or a W&L, even if the frame might be the same. One good example is this cross, which I still think is a legitimate Juncker EK2.

One can also see quite clearly that Juncker manufactured their own crosses, even when they used W&L parts. For example, all Juncker EK1 screwbacks (even those with W&L frames or cores) use a different width of screwpost and thread than W&L -- the traditional Juncker screwpost, which does not fit a W&L disc. So unlike Godet/Zimmermann, in which I believe Godet bought crosses pre-made from Zimmermann (and others), I think Juncker only bought components from other makers like W&L.

By the way I think these photos may show the manufacture of the very earliest Juncker -- the Juncker Schinkel. In the (marvelous!) photo of the "proto-RK" we can almost see the flaws in the inside corners of the frame, and I do not detect the traditional "crunched-bead" of the 2nd Juncker wartime frame. Also, the core in the new photo of the die shows the wonderful, traditional early Juncker design.

Here is the cross I think they are showing manufactured (in both classes):

[StefanK.]

Thanks for your great remarks! I fully agree with you on the finishing but your observation about the disc i didnt know! great!

Many greetings,
Stefan

[Flemming]

Woah, that was some nice and interesting Photos.
Thank you so much for sharing those

Best regards
Flemming

[Tony T-S]

That's a facinating presentation, thanks for putting it together. The "prototype" RK is great. I feel for the gentleman spraying cores, he looks a little bored. I wonder, with his younger age, whether he couldn't be called up (unfit) or had not yet been so? I think I would have found the soldering work rather nerve wracking