I have Always Loved Iron Crosses

[manayunkman]

Does anyone know more about this Mayer IK2 ?

[5tefan]

Does anyone know more about this Mayer IK2 ?

Very nice to see this core & frame combination
I think a lot of people know why

[streptile]

Does anyone know more about this Mayer IK2 ?

What else are you interested to know? It is an early cross by B.H. Mayer, and EK2s by that maker are rare no matter what period they were made.

Is the core magnetic?

Stefan, the core is not the same as yours.

[manayunkman]

Thanks

M

[5tefan]

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Stefan, the core is not the same as yours.

Is only the different positioning of the light on the fotos!

The number design is the same BTW the common BHM NO.1 Head is spiky

This Head is not spiky!

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[manayunkman]

I got my first Iron Cross when I was 12 from Colonel Robert Rob 9th Infantry Intelligence. That was 44 years ago. At the shows they would give Iron Crosses away if you bought something. There were tons of them around.

Now you require a degree.

It is amazing the evidence one seeks to determine the maker of an unmarked EK2.

Thanks to all for your help

M

[Douglas 5]

The 3 cores BH Maier used in one picture.

Douglas

[streptile]

Hi Stefan and Douglas.

The first core used by B.H. Mayer is not on that chart there, but it is on the EK2 in this thread.

Below is a better shot of this core (from another cross), followed by a comparison with the cores from 5tefan's crosses. I think from this better photo you can see that they are not the same core.

[Douglas 5]

I can assure every one that the first BH Maier core is on that chart - be it poorly displayed !

Had done and posted this one 6 to 8 Years ago , have redone pictures since . The 3rd silver EK1 I got - .. and awarded Dec 20th 1939 ... as to award document ... that I tried relentlessly to get , but no longer could be found .

A heavy lacquer coated frame( 2nd picture) and early 'puffy thick ' paint , as seen on W&L crosses too . Unusual tall and very skinny date which cannot be seen/reconnaised in the chart above and is different from the EK2 .
Possible but unlikely that they had at the same time a 2nd core just for the EK2 ?

Douglas

[5tefan]

Trevor,

your pictures on thread #38 is again not ideal for compare

The angle is not 90° and the pictures shows too much of the upper surface from the upper flange.

Of course that this pictures will not match, if you don't compare it with the right angle

[streptile]

Trevor,
your pictures on thread #38 is again not ideal for compare
The angle is not 90° and the pictures shows too much of the upper surface from the upper flange.
Of course that this pictures will not match, if you don't compare it with the right angle

Hi Stefan,

This core:



...is a scan, so it is 90°. The lighting may be different, but it does not match your cores anyway. It is very different.

I can assure every one that the first BH Maier core is on that chart...

Douglas, this core, which is B.H. Mayer's first, is not on your chart, is it?

[5tefan]

Hi Trevor,

even if it is a scan, I know why I don't like scanned pictures

It is the same item with the pictures on the last book. All pictures looks like a scanned pictures!

Always you see only the upper flange! And more and more the shadow on the lower side!

IMO all this pics is not like my pictures! You will never ever see on my pictures the upper flange like you see on your scan!

This is not an optical 90° picture! You need not to be a photo professional, to see the different between a 90° picture and a scan lower 70° picture! But, it depends on the scanner type (quality) how much are the angle which is pulled behind! I think your Scanner-Quality is not very good - sorry to say.

I know it, because I had several discussion with imo the world best EK1 1914 Expert!
His statement to the scan pictures was catastrophic.

He showed some exemples of an under shadowed and upper exposed Number Design compared to a photo 90° pictures!

Please make a 90° Foto, if possible! Or if not possible, see the different of a scanned picture if you make two scans by turning the EK1 180° each scan! You will not find any matches after the two scans by rotating the cross 180°

[streptile]

Hi Stefan,

I agree with you -- I don't like scans, but this cross is not mine.

However, no photo in the world will make this core match yours.

[streptile]

Hi Stefan,

Also your photos are the best I've ever seen, and no one (including me) will make photos like them

[Douglas 5]

The core comparison in post 38 - I am with Trevor ... not a match .

Trevor : The comparison was done many years back and pictures pulled from EK1s only - way befor any BH Maier EK2s came to light . The Ek2 presented in this thread indeed is one of those rare BH Maier EK2s . It is close to -2- on the chart and still trying to find the original pictures . The frames as to die do match , what a nice find for him !
The die wear itself is quit more advanced on the EK2 than mine ... with the quite noticeable die cracking on beading 7 o'clock inside point . Apearance is misleading as the soft silver-aloy has suffered alot of 'surface' wear - which the harder Ni-aloy EK2 has not and shows more or less no surface wear .

Quote :"Douglas, this core, which is B.H. Mayer's first, is not on your chart, is it ? " -- post 41 .
Still trying to understand what you mean with this ? The demand in 39 IMO would have been for a lot more EK2s than EK1s . The core of my EK1 is Mayers first EK1 core . So at least -both cores- could have been used side by side ? Do to the lack of these Mayer EK2s in existance that they possibly just stopped making them ? I have not look to any exstent at all to see if this peticular EK2 core was used in Mayers EK1s ??? Was it reserved for EK2s only - being a 2 sided strike - or did something happen to it ??
Saying 'it is' ... there has to be something I am not aware of ? ... like Sept 39 Mayer starting with EK2s and then in Dec 39 adding or switching over to EK1 production . This senario would make that EK2 core as Mayer's first ?

Things change and progress over the years in this hobby .... regardless what ever the senario may be ... we now have 4 Mayer cores !

Douglas