Iron Cross 1st class in cloth

[MilitaryAntique]

Hi guys!

Most of the Iron Crosses 1st class 1939 in cloth seems to be fake in todays market, what is the verdict about this one?

[AndyC]

One strange thing on this one is that there are a lot of wear but it dont looks like it ever have been sewn on a tunic?


Andy

[MilitaryAntique]

Yeah that is strange.......

Anyone else got some input?

[plaut]

I have the same design and as far as I remember Ben also has got at least one. IMO that one is ground dug

here you are IMO the same type:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=cloth
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=cloth

[MilitaryAntique]

So this is a ground dug original?

[Hank C.]

So this is a ground dug original?

Is it in your possession? If so, where did it come from? What's the story behind it? A little more info might help....

best
Hank

[MilitaryAntique]

Is it in your possession? If so, where did it come from? What's the story behind it? A little more info might help....

best
Hank

Yes it is in our possesion, a collector wanted us to sell it in commission and sent it to us, that is the story.

We wanted to get it checked on the forum first, since there are alot of fakes on these cloth crosses, and the knowledge is limited, not many books about cloth Iron Crosses............

[Flemming]

In my opinion, with the EK in Cloth you mostly have to make up your own mind. There are some expectation on how they should "look like".
And also in my opinion these can be faked rather easely.
So unless it has some solid provenance, I would not want it in my collection, as other then a curisoty.

/Flemming

[ben bijker]

If the price was right, I would buy it without hesitation.
Michal is right, I had two of these (sold one a while ago)

This is one of the accepted crosses in cloth, and these can sometimes be found with a label of the maker on the reverse.

Schmitt-Stoffeffekte if I recall well.

[all1knew]

Hello all,

I don't believe in them. All of the ones that we have seen are identical in construction yet it was never instituted by the Government like the DKiG, thus these would have been special order/private purchase so variances in construction would appear and in the materials, which they do not.

If Floch made regular EK's I bet he made cloth ones too!

William Kramer

[cobra-2001]

cloth iron cross

Hi I have seen these on here and I have one I will post and it is a fake that is sold by reddick militaria out of texas . I brought it back I think about 1995 . I think he still sells them . I dont know if yours are a fake but the one I have is for sure a fake .

[Flemming]

IMO these 2 Cloth EK looks very similar, just the first one have been "hiding" in the ground for some time.

/Flemming

[MilitaryAntique]

a quick comparison:

looks like different swastika and the year is also different, not the exact same embroidery.

[all1knew]

a quick comparison:

looks like different swastika and the year is also different, not the exact same embroidery.

Same material, same fake in my opinion. Sure there are minor variances in the embroidery as it wasn't done by a machine.

William Kramer