Early Godet EK1... strange pin

[Danny70]

Hello All..

Here's (a butchered) one a friend picked up and asked my opinion on. I believe that it is an early frame type Godet, but the (damaged) pin is a puzzler.
(It is an early Godet, right?)

Although it is bent out of shape, I believe that it doesn't correspond to the type found on other examples - it seems to bulge in the centre and is tapered towards the tip as opposed to the straight pin type. It doesn't look to have been filed in any way and there is no evidence of it beoing replaced.

What say you guys?

Regards - Danny

[Danny70]

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[plaut]

It is early Godet with repaired catch IMO. I love that early variant

[Wik]

What a shame to see how "Frankensteined" that poor cross has become. The pin is strange. It looks like (and this is a total shot in the dark) maybe the pin was sufficiently heated to make it pliable and then twisted a bit in order to prevent some movement while worn. If that make sense.

Just looking at it, it still reminds me of my L/50 marked cross' pin, just if it wasn't all twisted and goofed up. Hinge and everything looks spot on and it looks like the width of the pin is fairly accurate to mine. I think how it has been bent might be what is making it seem like the pin is/was different but just looking at your pics, I feel like at one time that pin WAS a straight, non "coke bottle" pin, as per Godet's style.

Sadly, I don't have pics available at the moment but I can get some later today of mine, but as I mentioned mine is marked L/50 so I don't know that it is the "early" type your looking for. Some of the characteristics do match though.

Hope some others will chime in with opinions or be able to clarify my point!

[streptile]

Very nice piece. Since this type was first identified I have seen it marked L/50... and L/52. However, in my opinion this sculpted pin was possibly only used on the Godet models.

I have one of these pins myself, and I've seen a few more. Douglas, for example, owns another. Mine came in a Gebr. Godet outer carton directly from the seller who got it from the family. Also, the one EK1 I have in my files (which is a bit later than this one) marked "21" also has a sculpted pin (see below), with the pin anchor, pin hinge, hinge block and catch being the same as on the traditional Zimmermann type.

So... ultimately I think we need to do a bit more research to discover if this sculpted pin was specific to those crosses made or marketed by Godet, but my instinct at this moment is that it is.

[Wik]

Very cool Trev. Didn't realize any Godets ever had anything but the straight, slightly tapered pin.

That being said are we CONFIDENT that the cross Danny first showed has that same pin as you showed? Like I said, I didn't realize Godets of any period had this type of pin, but I still don't feel like Dany's pin matches the MMed 21 one you posted (and looks closer to a messed with straight pin). Just looking at the reverse pics it looks to me to have just been bent (please tell me someone else who knows better than I agrees lol!).

[streptile]

Hi Ryan,

Nice to see you here. I don't think it has the same pin as the one I posted (also, I didn't say it had the same pin but I wasn't terribly clear). But both have sculpted versions of the traditional Zimmermann/Godet pin.

[Hans Kondor]

WOW, its the first time to me to see a 21 marked EKI, Trevor could you please post the observe too?

[Wik]

Hi Ryan,

Nice to see you here. I don't think it has the same pin as the one I posted (also, I didn't say it had the same pin but I wasn't terribly clear). But both have sculpted versions of the traditional Zimmermann/Godet pin.

Ahhh gotcha Trev, my apologies. I was under the impression you were implying that the pins were the same/similar. Just wanted to check! Thanks for the clarification.

I'm usually always around, I just don't post too much. There is too much amazing and awesome pics/info here to NOT frequent the site. I just kinda keep focused on my Junckers and Godets so I thought I might comment here

[Douglas 5]

Interesting Godet EK1 there Danny .
The sculptured pin seems unique to Godet . A quick comparison to Trevors .

Douglas

[streptile]

WOW, its the first time to me to see a 21 marked EKI, Trevor could you please post the observe too?

Me too, though I've seen (and handled) one since. This is probably one of the most uncommon EKs in existence. They were included in the custom sets of RK/EK1/EK2 in red cases.

Here's the front. Typical Godet/Zimmermann type.

[streptile]

Ahhh gotcha Trev, my apologies.

No sweat. I should've been clearer.

A quick comparison to Trevors .

Nice comparison Douglas!

[Hans Kondor]

I steal Fabri's pictures for comparison, I think the cross that Trevor showed is match with the EKII on the right, I think same paint. Danny's cross is more look like the left one, early glossy paint.