Controversal Spange

[streptile]

I've just read on another forum that there is supposedly a photo of this Spange in wear on p. 68 of Yerger, Mark C., German Cross in Gold Holders of the SS and Police, Vol 5.

Can anyone supply a scan of this page and photo?

It would be nice to confirm this type if it's possible to do so.

[George Stimson]

Getting in here a little late, but it's too crude and disproportionate for me.

[kriztof]

I know the old school of thought was based around symmetry but in light of a few examples that don't meet "perfection" status and have now been deemed original, I think we have to file these under "possible" and not immediately condemn them.
I say this as I am now looking for my first pattern Maybauer that was called Fake a few years ago because of it's disproportionate/uneven shape.
The unknown maker was also assumed a fake and some of the hand finished L/57 models to name a few..

For all we know the type that Jim started the thread with could have been a hand made prototype junker!! Imagine the stampede that would cause

Chris

[tinmantis]

if interested, check this thread out from 7yrs back:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=strange

[tinmantis]

and I'd love to see that pics too! come on someone!

[streptile]

I got 'em. Coming up.

With thanks to Batteriechef aka Jonas on SDA, and of course to Mark Yerger.

[kriztof]

Let the stampede commence.....

[tinmantis]

thanks for getting that pic
I wish it was clearer, it does look similar.
But you could also argue his SP1 looks like a post war souval too
Remember all the RK 'rounders' that kept showing up on period pics also?!
very good pic though
when I get some time, I'll superimpose the two ontop and see if that gives any more clues
regards
jon

[tinmantis]

also, we could try to find more pics of that guy...

[streptile]

In my opinion that is the same Spange. No other Spange has those same weird dimensions. For me, this photo (if not retouched or staged) confirms this Spange as a period piece.

[streptile]

PS His EK1 Spange is a Petz & Lorenz I think.

[Biro]

In my opinion that is the same Spange. No other Spange has those same weird dimensions. For me, this photo (if not retouched or staged) confirms this Spange as a period piece.

I quite agree - the 'truncated/squared off' wings are pretty unique to this spange and IMO are perfectly replicated in that photo. Even without the benefit of any clear obverse detail at all, I'd be surprised if another spange had quite the same silhouette as this one...

[kriztof]

The spange being worn in the photo has a date box that seems wider than the ribbon, the thread starter also has a long date box that appears wider.

As Jon as stated, unless this is a photgraphic forgery, it's a pretty good match.


Chris

[George Stimson]

Excellent presentation, Trevor! I guess I'll have to re-evaluate my opinion!

[tinmantis]

great comparison Trevor
I'm still not convinced, I feel that the photo could be of any spange, the shading and lighting playing tricks, distorting the shape
I'm open minded though, I'd love these to be real
and don't forget this case...
regards
jon